<deborah> http://crafts.dm.net/mall/artforms/knots.html
<deborah> THAT'S THE CLASS PAGE
<froggie> Thanks, BRB
<deborah> http://crafts.dm.net/mall/artforms/knots.html
<deborah> MY APOLOGIES FOR THE DOWNLOAD TIME. I KNOW THE PICS ARE RATHER LARGE....
<cak> I'd rather wait and have good detail though
<debclutz> those pearkls are pretty deborah
<deborah> OK...HERE WE GO..
<deborah> ARE ANY OF YOU DOING THIS REALLY OR ALL 'VIRTUALLY'?
<deborah> THANKS, DEB
<GailWink2> virtual
<deb> virtually
<deborah> IF ANY OF YOU ARE DOING IT FOR REAL...AND YOU NEED CLARIFICATION, STOP ME! lol
<deborah> HI JANET
<deborah> http://crafts.dm.net/mall/artforms/knots.html
<Nikki-NZ> deborah what sort of thread is best?
<brenda> hello deborah
<deborah> FRO BEADS, YOU CAN USE ANYTHING YOU WANT. I PREFER SILK FOR PEARLS.
<deborah> I PREFER SILK FOR A LOT OF BEADS BECAUSE I LOVE THE WAY IT FEELS!
<gltrgrrl> hi all
<Nikki-NZ> I love silk too, what thickness?
<deborah> (THROUGH MY FINGERS WHEN I AM MAKING THE PIECE)
<deborah> HI!
<deborah> UH...I THINK THAT'S AN 'E' YOU SEE THERE.
<deborah> I USUALLY GET THE MIDRANGE SIZES OF THREAD
<deborah> SO YOU CAN DOUBLE IT IF YOU NEED TO OR USE SINGLE THREAD IF YUO WANT IT THINNER
<brenda> do we have a web site to look at?
<deborah> http://crafts.dm.net/mall/artforms/knots.html
<deborah> HI BRENDA
<Nikki-NZ> uhoh looks like you have diff sizing to us, ours are usually done by numbers
<deborah> LOL...OF COURSE! ANOTHER REASON WHY I ASK FOR WHATEVER THE MANUFACTURER'S MID SIZE IS.
<deborah> IT'S LIKE CLOTHES...THEY'RE ALL A BIT DIFFERENT
<deborah> *SIGH*
<deborah> HEAVEN FORBID THEY SHOULD STANDARDIZE IT....
<deborah> ANY MORE THREAD QUESTIONS?
<deborah> NEEDLES ARE NEXT....
<stampress-> oh shoot, I missed something about threads
<stampress-> they are confusing me as to what to use
<deborah> YOU CAN USE EITHER A REGULAR BEADING NEEDLE, SIZE 12 OR SO....
<deborah> OR YOU CAN USE A WIRE BEADING NEEDLE...
<deborah> I USED A REGULAR NEEDLE FOR THE UPPER PICS
<deborah> AND A WIRE BEADING NEEDLE FOR THE PEARL PIC AT THE BOTTOM OF THE CLASS PAGE
<deborah> YOU CAN ALSO MAKE A NEEDLE BY TWISTING THIN WIRE IF YOU ARE SO INCLINED.
<stampress> url?
<deborah> http://crafts.dm.net/mall/artforms/knots.html
<deborah> THERE YA GO!
<deborah> OK...SO, WE HAVE A THREADED NEEDLE, A STRAIGHT PIN AND SOME BEADS
<deborah> http://crafts.dm.net/mall/artforms/knots.html
<Janet> I got mine ready
<deborah> KEEP IN MIND THAT THE CLASS PAGE IS FOR DEMO ONLY....
<CrowFeathe> is this a different class than the pearl one?
<deborah> THAT'S WHY THERE'S A KNOT IN THAT THREAD!
<deborah> YES, WE'RE DISCUSSING THE KNOTTING BETWEEN THE BEADS.
<deborah> http://crafts.dm.net/mall/artforms/knots.html
<deborah> THAT'S THE CLASS PAGE
<deborah> SO, TAKE THE THREADED NEEDLE, AND PUT A BEAD ON...
<CrowFeathe> k, then this is the nine oclock jewelry class-- and I'm in the right place!
<deborah> BRING IT DOWN OT THE KNOT
<deborah> YES, YOU ARE, CROWFEATHER! WELCOME!
<deborah> NOW....
<CrowFeathe> thx!
<deborah> MAKE A LOOP IN THE THREAD WITH THE NEEDLE...LOOK AT THE SECOND PICTURE ON THE CLASS PAGE.
<deborah> IT'S WAY EASIER TO SHOW THAN TO EXPLAIN!
<deborah> MAKE SENSE?
<gltrgrrl> yep
<cak> sure does
<deborah> OK...HERE COMES THE CRUCIAL PIN PART....
<deborah> LOL
<stampress> kinda like you do to make a french knot in fabric
<deborah> RIGHT!
<deborah> NOW, PUT THE PIN IN THE CENTER OF THE LOOP
<deborah> WHILE HOLDING THE PIN, DROP THE NEEDLE SO IT'S HANGING, AS THE BEAD YOU ALREADY STRUNG IS....
<deborah> AND GENTLY PULL THE THREAD FROM THE SIDE TOWARDS THE NEEDLE....
<deborah> THE PIN KEEPS THE KNOT FROM FORMING TOO QUICKLY...
<deborah> IN A PLACE YOU DON'T WANT IT TO BE,.....
<deborah> LIKE FAR AWAY FROM YOUR BEAD.
<deborah> PULL THE THREAD TIGHT ON THE PIN....
<deborah> WHEN THE PIN IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE BEAD AND THE KNOT LOOKS THE WAY YOU WANT....
<deborah> PULL THE PIN OUT
<deborah> http://crafts.dm.net/mall/artforms/knots.html
<deborah> CLASS PAGE
<deborah> DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
<deborah> WHEN THE PIN IS PULLED OUT, YOU WILL HAVE A NICE, NEAT KNOT (SAY THAT FAST)..
<cak> yep! My knots are always 30 miles away from my beads--knowing where to put the pin will help tremendously
<deborah> RIGHT NEST TO YOUR BEAD.
<deborah> YEAH, IT'S ANNOYING WHEN THAT HAPPENS, CAK.
<deborah> NOW, ALTHOUGH THIS TECHNIQUE IS STANDARD FOR PEARLS, YOU CAN USE IT ON ANY BEAD.
<deborah> IT LOOKS REALLY NICE WITH GEMSTONE BEADS, GLASS BEADS, ETC.
<deborah> IT MAKES A NECKLACE LOOK MORE 'HIGH END' THAN PLAIN STRINGING
<deborah> WELL, THAT'S IT IN A NUTSHELL. PRETTY BASIC, HUH?
<cak> and it keeps the beads on when it breaks too!
<cak> (like the strand of moonstones from my grandmother)
<gltrgrrl> basic but very good info to know!
<deborah> YET ANOTHER BENFIT!
<deborah> RIGHT!
<gltrgrrl> thank you!
<deborah> IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE CRYSTAL BEADS, YOU MAY WANT TO USE A THREAD OTHER THAN SILK...
<cak> Since I gotta restring these (someone used tigertail!), what would you recommend as far as thread--silk for this too?
<Janet> I was playing with my thread. I already screwed up
<deborah> SOMETIMES CRYSTALS CUT THE SILK....HASN'T HAPPENED TO ME...BUT..
<Janet> what's the worst that can happen? You lose one?
<Janet> (acceptable risk to me)
<deborah> YES, CAK, SILK WOULD BE GREAT FOR THAT
<cak> Thanks!
<deborah> YES, THAT'S MY THINKING TOO, JANET
<deborah> ANOTHER BENEFIT TO USING SILK....
<deborah> YOU CAN DYE IT!
<deborah> YAY!
<deborah> SO, YOU CAN BUY WHITE AND MAKE IT ANY COLOR YOU WANT.
<Janet> jacquard?
<Nikki-NZ> what do you use for dyes?
<Janet> (i mean for dying )
<deborah> ANY PERMANENT COLORING....ANY PERMANENT DYE.
<deborah> I HAVE USED...
<deborah> SSSHHH
<deborah> MARKERS
<cak> Just don't use RIT--
<deborah> YES, THEY WORK!
<cak> Wow! And there *are* fabric markers--
<deborah> DON'T USE METALLIC MARKERS...LIKE THE LEAF PENS....
<Janet> tria markers?
<Janet> oh. why not?
<deborah> THE DYE KINDA COMES OFF ALL OVER YOUR HANDS....
<deborah> KINDA
<cak> It's not really permanent
<deborah> LIKE MOSTLY ALL OF IT
<cak> It doesn't bond with the fibers like fiber-reactive dyes do
<deborah> I FOUND THAT OUT
<deborah> :)
<deborah> IT DID DYE IT A NICE COLOR, ONCE FADED...JUST NOT WHAT I WAS WANTING
<Janet> LOL
<cak> (one of those "valuable learning experiences"?)
<deborah> YOU CAN USE TEA TO DYE SILK
<deborah> COFFEE
<deborah> MARKERS
<deborah> DYE
<deborah> YES, CAK...YET ANOTHER LEARNING EXPERIENCE
<Janet> Hey, I been quiet(er) here because I'm doing this. I got like 10 good knots and I just screwed one up. Like it slipped 1/8" so NOW WHAT??!?
<cak> very good question Janet
<deborah> VERY OFTEN, JANET, YOU CAN MAKE ANOTHER GOOD KNOT NEXT TO THE BEAD
<deborah> THEN SQUISH THAT BAD KNOT WHEN YOU PUT ON THE NEXT BEAD.
<Janet> but like I got this bad knot. I can't untie it
<deborah> MOST OF THE TIME THAT WILL WORK
<Janet> squish it under the bead?
<deborah> YES
<deborah> SQUISH
<deborah> LOL
<Janet> okay. lemme try
<Janet> swwwwwwwwisssssssssssssssssH
<deborah> PULL THE THREAD REALLY TIGHT TO MAKE THAT KNOT "ONE" WITH THE EXISTING THREAD
<Janet> (i think I just stretched my thread)
<deborah> SHOULD WORK
<deborah> DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT
<deborah> AND THIS IS A DEMO ANYWAY....
<deborah> IF YOU WANTED A 'REAL' NECKLACE, YOU WOULD HAVE STARTED WITH A CLASP...
<deborah> OR A LONGER, AND KNOTLESS, TAIL FOR AN ENDLESS NECKALCE
<deborah> MAN, MY TYPING IS BAD TONIGHT. SORRY!
<deborah> JANET, DID THAT WORK?
<cak> It looks good to me (I guess my eyes match your typing)
<deborah> EVERYONE ELSE...DO THE INSTRUCTIONS MAKE SENSE?
<deborah> LOL, CAK
<Janet> sorta
<Nikki-NZ> sure do deborah
<deborah> WHAT'S THE PROBLEM, JANET?
<Nikki-NZ> how do you attach a clasp?
<deborah> PESKY KNOT?
<deborah> OK...
<deborah> IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE A CLASP ON THIS NECKLACE
<deborah> YOU WOULD HAVE STARTED WITH PUTTING THE CLASP ON ONE END...
<deborah> DEPENDS ON THE CLASP AS TO HOW YOU WOULD ATTACH IT...
<deborah> BUT FOR 'STANDARD' PEARLS...
<deborah> LIKE THE ONE IN THE PHOTO AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE...
<deborah> THERE'S A LITTLE PLACE TO SEW INTO...
<deborah> THEN YOU LOOP BACK AND TIE IT...
<deborah> GLUE THE KNOT
<deborah> LET IT DRY
<deborah> THEN START ADDING PEARLS.
<deborah> THE FIRST PEARL WILL, MOSTLY, HIDE THE TAIL OF THE KNOT.
<deborah> MAKE SENSE?
<cak> lots
<deborah> THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF CLASPS, SO IT DEPENDS ON WHICH YOU ARE USING.
<Nikki-NZ> yep, its getting the finishing one tight Im thinking off
<deborah> I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING YOU....SAY THAT AGAIN FOR ME?
<Janet> (I think I got that bad knot hidden)
<deborah> YAY!
<deborah> NIKKI, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY FINISHING ONE TIGHT?
<cak> Just think--that bead'll be *really* wedged onto the thread
<Janet> it is ONE with my thread now.
<deborah> RIGHT, JANET! YOU WON'T LOSE THAT BEAD!
<Janet> (and I skipped ahead and put a clasp on this one)
<Nikki-NZ> when you have finished stringing pearls, any tips on adding the clasp at the end so that its up tight against the last bead
<deborah> SAME TECHNIQUE, NIKKI.
<deborah> DON'T BE AFRAID TO PULL THE THREAD TIGHTLY.
<deborah> HERE'S HOW...
<deborah> YOU HAVE THE LAST PEARL ON THE NECKLACE....
<deborah> TIE A KNOT NEXT TO THAT PEARL AS THOUGH YOU WERE GOING TO ADD ANOTHER BEAD...
<deborah> THEN, INSTEAD OF A BEAD, PUT ON THE CLASP
<deborah> NOW...
<deborah> TIE A KNOTIN THE THREAD SO THAT THE CLASP IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE KNOT
<deborah> MAKE SENSE?
<Nikki-NZ> yes, what sort of knot?
<gltrgrrl> yep
<deborah> I USE A DOUBLE KNOT OR A WEAVER'S KNOT...SURGEON'S KNOT WORKS, TOO
<deborah> AND THEY'LL HAVE TO BE IN PICTURES, BECAUSE I CAN'T EXPLAIN THEM VERBALLY! LOL
<Nikki-NZ> lol
<deborah> THE SECOND PICTURE ON THE CLASS PAGE IS WHAT THE BEGINNING OF THE LAST KNOT WILL LOOK LIKE...
<deborah> IMAGINE THAT YOUR CLASP IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT CENTER LOOP....
<deborah> THEN PULL TIGHT...
<deborah> USING THE PIN TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE NEXT TO THAT LAST BEAD.
<deborah> AND IF YOU HAVE LONG HAIR, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THERE BEING A GAP AT THE CLASP....
<deborah> CAUSE IT WON'T SHOW ANYWAY. LOL
<Janet> one of the bennies of long hair?
<deborah> YES
<deborah> ONE THING TO REMEMBER WITH BEADWORK...
<deborah> WHEN YOU ARE MAKING THE ITEM, YOU ARE *REALLY* UP CLOSE TO IT....
<deborah> WHAT YOU PERCEIVE AS A HORRID ERROR...
<deborah> MAY NEVER BE NOTICED WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PIECE OVERALL
<deborah> KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
<deborah> (FOR THE PERFECTIONISTS IN THE ROOM)
<deborah> AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE
<cak> lol!
<Nikki-NZ> lol
Janet blushes
<cak> That's comforting deborah. I think some of us need to make a sign to post when we're working.
<gltrgrrl> nobody *i* know...
<brenda> deborah thanks for a great class
<gltrgrrl> yes thank you muchly
<deborah> THANK YOU!
<deb> thanks deborah
<froggie> Yes, thanks deborah
<deborah> ANY QUESTIONS?
<deb> can't wait to try knotting those beads
<Janet> I'm going to practice this some. I'm sure I'll have questions by tomorrow.
<cak> Not yet--however...
<Nikki-NZ> do you sell the clasps and silk thread too?
<froggie> even though my hair is all knotted up in threads and tangled among the beads
<deborah> I HAVE A VERY FEW CLASPS LEFT...HAVE TO ORDER MORE...
<Nikki-NZ> will do, and will you run tabs thru con again
<deborah> YES, OF COURSE.
<Nikki-NZ> ta
<deborah> AND THERE'S A SPECIAL ON THE CLASS PAGE....
<deborah> IN CASE YOU MISSED IT....
<deborah> LOL
<Nikki-NZ> lol
<deborah> THOSE ARE NICE PEARLS, TOO
<deborah> HI SPARKLE
<gltrgrrl> miss a special - a sale - ya gotta be kidding
<Janet> they look beautiful
<deborah> http://crafts.dm.net/mall/artforms/knots.html
<sparkle> and that's how long it takes me to go 20 miles home <G>
<deborah> THERE'S THE PAGE, SPARKLE
<sparkle> thank you...loading now.
<deborah> JANET, I THINK YOU HAVE SOME OF THOSE WHITE PEARLS...
<Janet> they are BEAUTIFUL!!
<deborah> SOMEWHERE IN YOUR STASH....
<deborah> LOL
<cak> Yeah, but does she have the other two colors?
<sparkle> lol
<sparkle> :X
<Janet> :X
<deborah> NO, BUT SHE HAS SOME OTHER PINK ONES I HAD....
<Janet> (I prolly need more, and I don't have the peacocks yet)
<cak> (no, no, deborah--you're supposed to talk her *into* buying)
<deborah> I HAVE FAITH, CAK
<deborah> LOL
<cak> (so I can get my vicarious thrills)
<Janet> LOL
<cak> lol--Janet, the ever-faithful!
<deborah> OH...
<deborah> OK! THANKS FOR COMING TONIGHT!
<deborah> I THINK THERE'S TRIVIA NEXT!
<deborah> WOOHOO
<Janet> Trivia!
<deborah> WITH PRIZES EVEN!
<sparkle> deb...that tutorial looks wonderful!
<cak> Thank you deborah--always wonderful
<Nikki-NZ> thanks heaps deborah
<Nikki-NZ> see you in trivia
<deborah> SEE YOU IN TRIVIA!
<stampress> thanks deborah
<deborah> OH, PRIZES TRIVIA...EXCUSE ME
<Janet> thanks, Deborah. I been waiting and waiting for this class, now I gotta practice.
<Janet> PRIZES!! woo hoo!!
<deborah> YOU'LL BE A PRO IN NO TIME
<Janet> we'll see.<g>
<deborah> YOU KNOW YOU CAN MAKE $ DOING THIS
<deborah> REALLY
<cak> Hmmmm--paid for nit-picky work--sounds ideal
<Janet> not if I keep screwing it up.<g>
<Janet> LOL
<deborah> YOU GET REALLY FAST ONCE YOU GET THE HANG OF IT....PAYS FOR THE BEAD BINGES...UH, PURCHASES...
<cak> lol!
<Janet> LOL
<sparkle> LOL
<deborah> AND CLAY
<Janet> (the triviots are starting to gather)
<deborah> AND STAMPS
<Janet> I better go supervise.
<Janet> See ya over there.
<deborah> BYE!
<cak> Have fun tonight!
<cak> thanks again deborah
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