<Janet> the class page is at http://www.dm.net/~cak/colormixing/000819alt.html

<MomCat-afk> GOOD MORNING, CLASS

<Janet> good morning, teacher

<deb-afk> Hi MaryAnn

<Janet> Class page is at http://www.dm.net/~cak/colormixing/000819alt.html

<Mar> Hi deb

Janet tries sucking up again

<deb-afk> I heare you are a great Rafex!

<RubberRabb> (keeps hearing this sucking noise..)

Janet is good at it.

<MomCat-afk> I HAVE BEEN SAYING SINCE long BEFORE I MET JANET THAT...

<deb-afk> MaryAnn I hear you are a great rafex

<dbstampin> practice makes perfect, huh Janet <g>!

<Mar> I guess you know Kristy

<deb-afk> lol yes

<Mar> i had lots of fun for sure,

<deb-afk> we had fun teasing her too

<RubberRabb> at least practice makes lots of paper colored with stuff..

<deb-afk> for a wh ile she thought it was me

<deb-afk> lol

<deb-afk> and I"m not in it

<MomCat-afk> FOR "STANDARD" COLORS YOU CAN MIX ANY COLOR YOU NEED IF YOU HAVE RED, YELLOW AND BLUE PAINT

<Mar> too funny, i had her going at times

<MomCat-afk> IF YOU ARE PAINTING ALONG WITH US YOU SHOULD TAPE YOUR PAPER DOWN SO IT WON'T BUCKLE.

<RubberRabb> I'm doing virtual painting, so my stuff will be perfect at all times..

<deb-afk> mine seems to buckle anyway

<Mar> can you do this same thiing with the watercolor pencils?

<MomCat-afk> iT WON'T BE AS WET AS IF JANET WAS TEACHING YOU TO PAINT WITH SALT, BUT THE PAPER WILL BUCKLE A LITTLE

<MomCat-afk> YES, MAR, YOU CAN

<Mar> TY

<MomCat-afk> YOU CAN ALSO DO IT WITH COLOR PENCIL OR PASTELS THOUGH IT IS MOST DIFFICULT

<meanmom> sorry I'm late

<RubberRabb> makes great depth of color though

<MomCat-afk> THE PAINT IN THE SAMPLES IS "TRANSPARENT."

deb gives stacie 40 lashes with a pasta clay noodle

<CrowFeathe> how did it get that way?

<MomCat-afk> JUST GETTING STARTED sTACIE

<RubberRabb> how do we know which watercolors are transparent

<Mar> is tranparent a type of paint??

<RubberRabb> do they say so on label

<cak> All watercolors are transparent, aren't they?

<RubberRabb> no

<MomCat-afk> tHE KIND OF WATER COLOR THAT KIDS USE IN SCHOOL IS TRANSPARENT

<deb> like Prang?

<RubberRabb> ok--so use the cheapo ones to play with..Prang, Crayola, etc..

<MomCat-afk> CAK, TEMPRA PAINT IS OPAQUE WATER COLOR

<MomCat-afk> rIGHT, RR AND DEB

<cak> Gotcha--everything else is transparent?

<RubberRabb> I was reading last night that cadmium red is opaque, too..

<RubberRabb> even in watercolor..

<MomCat-afk> NOT NECESSARILY

<RubberRabb> that's why I was asking..

<MomCat-afk> RR I HAVE NEVER SEEN CAD RED IN THIS KIND OF CHEAP WATER COLOR

<RubberRabb> true..they were talking tube watercolors

RubberRabbit (going back to her cheapo watercolors)

<MomCat-afk> CAK I HAVE LIMITED KNOWLEDGE OF PAINT SO I CAN'T SAY THAT EVERYTHING ELSE IS TRANSPARENT

<cak> well, you *still* know more than I!

<MomCat-afk> LOL

MomCat-afk BLUSHES

<MomCat-afk> A WORD ABOUT CADMIUM COLORS

<MomCat-afk> CADMIUM IS DANGEROUS STUFF AND REQUIRES HEALTH WARNINGS...

<dbstampin> huh?

<MomCat-afk> SO I AM SURE YOU WON'T SEE IT IN KIDS' PAINT BOXES

<cak> Cadmium is a heavy metal, isn't it? (trying to be correct at least once)

<RubberRabb> yeah, cadmium is a heavy metal and cumulative poison taken internally

<RubberRabb> so don't lick your brushes

<betsy> so dont eat yoru paint

<deb> lol

<cak> (and the skin acts like a sponge so be careful there too)

<CrowFeathe> or cut off yer ear

<dbstampin> ohhhh (wondering where she put the one she thinks she has)

<RubberRabb> Cotman paint pans have cadmium colors

<MomCat-afk> RR, PAINTS WITH CADMIUM ARE ALSO LABELED "DO NOT SPRAY"

<CrowFeathe> wow, great information, thx momcat

<dbstampin> yes thanks!

<RubberRabb> Cadmium Red, Cadmium Red Pale, and Cadmium Yellow--so I won't be using those for body painting

<MomCat-afk> YOU'RE WELCOME

<deb> <G>

<Star_of_He> Is there a URL or are you just chatting about color?

<deb> http://www.dm.net/~cak/colormixing/000819alt.html

<MomCat-afk> THERE IS A COMPANY THAT MAKES WATER BASED ACRYLICS

<MomCat-afk> HTTP://WWW.NOVACOLORPAINT.COM YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK THEM UP LATER

<MomCat-afk> ONLY THERE CAD COLORS REQUIRE SAFETY WARNING LABELS

<MomCat-afk> OKAY DOES EVERYBODY HAVE THE CLASS PAGE UP?

<RubberRabb> yes

<Mar> yes

<cak> I do

<CrowFeathe> yepper

<meanmom> yes, mam

<RubberRabb> that's yes, MOM

<RubberRabb> lol

<deb> http://www.dm.net/~cak/colormixing/000819alt.html

<MomCat-afk> OKAY I MIXED WATER WITH THE YELLOW PAINT PAN TO MAKE THE YELLOW BAND

<MomCat-afk> THE MORE WATER YOU USE - THE LIGHTER THE COLOR WILL BE

<RubberRabb> Is this wet-on-wet, wet-on-dry or ?

<deb> http://www.dm.net/~cak/colormixing/000819alt.html

<MomCat-afk> IF YOU THINK IT IS TOO LIGHT JUST GO BACK OVER IT

<dbstampin> what if you don't have watercolor paper, any other alternatives?

<MomCat-afk> YOU CAN ADD LAYERS WHILE IT IS STILL WET OR AFTER IT'S DRY

<MomCat-afk> RR WET-ON-DRY

<RubberRabb> bristol board but it will buckle

<cak> so better to use more water to put the "first coat" on and add more pigment later?

<RubberRabb> thanks mom

<dbstampin> thanks rr

<MomCat-afk> DB TO EXPERIMENT WITH ANY WHITE PAPER WILL WORK EVEN PRINTER PAPER

<dbstampin> that I have <g>!

<RubberRabb> you can always iron it later

<dbstampin> better if it's more absorbent?

<MomCat-afk> CAK IT'S A MATTER OF PERSON PREFERENCE

<deb> wb janet

<MomCat-afk> DB, NOW THAT'S A QUESTION i DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TOO

<MomCat-afk> jANET! PERFECT TIMING!

<dbstampin> guess I'll just try it and find out <g>!

<deb> http://www.dm.net/~cak/colormixing/000819alt.html

<deb> janet may know

<RubberRabb> not too unfinished or rough a paper to practice on--the pigment will sink before you can spread it

<MomCat-afk> COULD YOU ANSWER A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT PAPER

<deb> she's a watercolor genius

<RubberRabb> yes she is!

<MomCat-afk> PLEASE

<deb> janet

<deb> are you there?

<dbstampin> yoohoo janet . . .

<deb> she must be in limbo

<MomCat-afk> WATERCOLOR PAPER DOES HAVE A RUFF SURFACE

<MomCat-afk> ROUGH

<deb> LOL

<deb> ruff ruff

<dbstampin> lol deb

<dbstampin> ok, I've got some I'll try later

<RubberRabb> and papers that say they are suitable for inks and paints work ok for watercolor

<RubberRabb> (what an excuse to go paper shopping!!)

<MomCat-afk> IMO YOU DO WANT A PAPER DESIGNED FOR USE WITH "WET" MEDIA WHEN YOU ARE DOING A CARD OR OTHER PROJECT

<Janet> I'm sorry. I'm lagging really bad.

<Janet> What was the question?

<RubberRabb> rule of thumb> the better the material, the better the result

<deb> about watercolor papers

<MomCat-afk> WITH TRANSPARENT WATER COLORS YOUR PAPER SERVES AS THE "WHITE"

<Janet> Oh. It depends on what you're wanting and what method you're using. If you're doing a wash, you want at least 140 lb. paper. Period. Amen.

<MomCat-afk> SOMEBODY ASKED ABOUT THE ABSORBENCY OF WATERCOLOR PAPER

<Janet> depends on the paper and the finish of it

<MomCat-afk> THE SAMPLES ARE WASHES

<dbstampin> I was wondering what to use if I don't have watercolor paper

<Janet> Deb, ...

<MomCat-afk> YOU CAN PRACTICE ON REGULAR WHITE CARDSTOCK

<deb> what

<Janet> you can use tag board, or a good heavy cardstock...

<dbstampin> thanks!

<Janet> but don't use much water or you'll be sorrrrrrrrrrrrrry.

<cak> (or you'll have a sculpture)

<MomCat-afk> YOU COULD PRACTICE ON CHEAP WHITE PAPER PLATES

<deb> lol cak

<cak> Nice idea! They could be used as collage elements then too!

<MomCat-afk> YES, CAK

<MomCat-afk> I USE WHITE STYROFOAM PLATES TO MIX ACRYLICS

<MomCat-afk> WHEN I AM FINISHED, I SPREAD THE PAINT AS FAR AS IT WILL GO ON THE PLATE AND SAVE THE PLATE TO USE FOR COLLAGE OR BACKGROUND

<MomCat-afk> THE URL FOR THE COLOR WHEEL IS INCLUDED ON THE CLASS PAGE

<deb> http://www.dm.net/~cak/colormixing/000819alt.html

<deb> http://crafts.dm.net/mall/classes/990828.html

<MomCat-afk> LOOKING AT THE COLOR WHEEL, WHAT COLOR WILL YOU GET IF YOU ADD RED PAINT TO THE YELLOW?

<deb> blue

<deb> orange

<cak> orange (deb!)

<MomCat-afk> THANKS BUNCHES

<MomCat-afk> FOR POSTING THE URL'S DEB

<deb> yt

<MomCat-afk> BLUE DOES HAVE A RELATIONSHIP TO ORANGE ON THE COLOR WHEEL. WHAT IS IT?

<Mar> compliment

<dbkiii> oops

<dbkiii> isp kicked me

<spinz> complementary

<MomCat-afk> IF YOU MIX BLUE AND ORANGE OR ANY PAIR OF COMPLEMENTS, WHAT HAPPENS?

<RubberRabb> mud

<cak> It gets ugly

<spinz> you get mud

<RubberRabb> or greys depending on how transparent your mix

<deb1> allright

<deb1> that's enough

<spinz> or nice neutrals if you view them that way<g

<cak> or it tones the color down (whichever has the most pigment)

<MomCat-afk> YES, THAT IS HOW YOU GET NEUTRAL GRAY

<deb1> hi christa

<JonaFromGe> hi

<RubberRabb> in tones to match the two colors you just used, right?

<MomCat-afk> RR, I DON'T KNOW

<cak> Sounds logical though

<deb> http://crafts.dm.net/mall/classes/990828.html

<MomCat-afk> I USUALLY WORK WITH OPAQUES AND I DO USE BLACK AND WHITE PAINT

<MomCat-afk> DOES SOUND LOGICAL

<deb> http://www.dm.net/~cak/colormixing/000819alt.html

<RubberRabb> that's what I was reading last night--mixing two transparent colors to make the greys or shadows to go under it..

<MomCat-afk> PAINT A BAND OF RED ABOVE THE YELLOW

<MomCat-afk> THEN MIX THEM TOGETHER

<MomCat-afk> YOU CAN DIP YOU BRUSH IN CLEAN WAT TO HELP WITH THE BLENDING

MomCat-afk DOES USE CLEAN WATER

MomCat-afk LIKES "PURE" COLORS EVEN IF JANET AND NATURE DON'T

<deb> lol

<cak> You're unpuring them with the mixing--why add another variable!

<deb> jaent were your ears burning??

<MomCat-afk> DON'T MIX WITH EVEN STROKES OR STROKES ALL IN ONE DIRECTION

<RubberRabb> no--they'll stay pure as long as you don't scrub them together

<cak> Or use a lot of water so they float into each other?

<MomCat-afk> RR, I THINK CAK MEANS WE ARE MIXING THEM IN THE PICTURE

<MomCat-afk> CAK, YOU COULD TRY THAT

<MomCat-afk> I SUSPECT IT WOULD BE PRETTY PALE

<cak> I suspect it'd be a different effect

<cak> (both would be lovely though I bet)

<MomCat-afk> BUT YOU COULD ADD MORE PAINT OR WAIT UNTIL IT DRIES AND ADD ANOTHER LAYER

<Mar> Momcat, thanks for the class. I have to go and make supper, troops getting hungry.

<MomCat-afk> i THINK IT WOULD BE PRETY

<MomCat-afk> YW, MAR

<spinz> i have a q!!!

<MomCat-afk> UNLESS YOU WANT YOUR SKY TO LOOK STORMY [I E GRAY] ADD ANOTHER BAND OF RED ABOVE THE ORANGE YOU JUST MADE

<MomCat-afk> YES, SPINZ?

<spinz> i bought some acrylic paint ansd some flow release...will that make the acrylic look like watercolor?

<Janet> I have a Q too. (but I didn't stick around for the answer last time I asked it. someone tape me down)

<MomCat-afk> THIS RED WILL KEEP THE BLUE AND ORANGE FROM MINGLING

cak graps the superglue

<MomCat-afk> jANET, DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER FOR SPINZ?

RubberRabbit grabs duct tape

RubberRabbit tapes Janet to chair

MomCat-afk SUPERGLUES THE DUCT TAPE TO JANET

MomCat-afk IS NOT SURE WHAT FLOW RELEASE IS

<MomCat-afk> ADD A BLUE BAND OF PIGMENT AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE AND BLEND IT WITH THE RED

<RubberRabb> I think flow release is sort of like oxgall for making paint spread--I don't think it affects transparency only ability to flow

<MomCat-afk> THANKS RR

<spinz> i guess i'll have to try it and report back...i think you're right...that it doesn't affect the transparency

<RubberRabb> (used for marbling)

<spinz> marbling? i could do this with acrylics and marble???

<RubberRabb> no--marbling paper--not marble

<spinz> huh?

<RubberRabb> who wants to paint marble?

<spinz> oh, see what you mean<g yes, marbling paper<ggg

<RubberRabb> sorry, mom

<MomCat-afk> NO APOLLOGY NEEDED RR

<MomCat-afk> I DON'T PAINT VERY OFTEN

RubberRabbit thinks> has lots of paints and marbling supplies

<MomCat-afk> BUT IN THIS CASE I THOUGHT I COULD GET THE BACKGROUND I WANTED BY USING WATER COLOR

<RubberRabb> darn duct tape didn't work

<spinz> we used the ph martin watercolors for batiking in a class i took and i was trying to get to the same place without buying them($$$)

<RubberRabb> yes watercolors are beautiful

<MomCat-afk> MORE EASILY THAN I COULD WITH THE COMPUTER

<MomCat-afk> I DO A LOT OF BACKGROUNDS ON THE PUTER

<RubberRabb> but watercolors look better

<RubberRabb> more luminous

<MomCat-afk> NOT ALWAYS

<RubberRabb> well, if you don't mud them..LOL

<spinz> do they have to be expensive watercolors?

<RubberRabb> no

<betsy> the ph martins are VERY pigment dense

<MomCat-afk> HOW LUMINOUS PRINTER OUTPUT LOOKS DEPENDS ON THE PAPER

<spinz> yes!!!!

<RubberRabb> you just might have to do more layers with cheaper watercolors

<JonaFromGe> mom on the sample you did only the backgroundwith watercolor right?

<betsy> i have never seen other watercolors appear that rich in intensity

<MomCat-afk> JONA, YES

<betsy> hey jona

<JonaFromGe> hi betsy

<RubberRabb> but you don't always want intense--sometimes subtle is better..

<betsy> right but if that is the batik look you are wantign is gonan be hard to reproduce form lesser colors

<betsy> i eneded up over watering mine to get subtle

<spinz> i think it may be easier to make intense get subtle than to make subtle get intense?

<betsy> that is waht i am thiking

<betsy> and for batik you want richer than regular i am thiking

<spinz> to make it look authentic

<RubberRabb> not necessarily--you can water down intense, but not vary the shading if it isn't transparent

<spinz> is it the pigment that makes the diff between opaque and transparent?

<MomCat-afk> SPINZ, IDON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE

<RubberRabb> I don't know--I think it might be the carrier--Mom? Janet? do you know?

<RubberRabb> maybe both--the pigment and the carrier

<MomCat-afk> JANET PROBABLY KNOS, BUT SHE IS GONE AGAIN

<RubberRabb> yeah, the duct tape and superglue didn't work

<spinz> and, tell me again about mixing the trans and the opaque, please!

<MomCat-afk> JANET WILL BE TEACHING A PAINTING CLASS THIS EVENING

<cak> Hopefully she'll be able to address that in her class later tonight

<RubberRabb> I'd stick to transparent in watercolor--

<RubberRabb> less likely to get muddy colors

<spinz> i think i need a remedial painting class. i didn't even know what q's to ask in michaels

<RubberRabb> (not that most folk in Michaels would know the answers anyway)

<MomCat-afk> WELL i AM MOST LIKELY TO MUDDY COLORS WITH TRANSPARENTS

<spinz> oh, i found one nice lady and would leave her alone!

<RubberRabb> I read last night--and tried it-to let your colors dry a bit between layers

<MomCat-afk> WITH TRANSPARENT COLORS YOU MAKE THEM LIGHTER BY ADDING WATER

<spinz> seems like if you can mix two colors ...you can mix them in opaque and transparent wc's

<RubberRabb> they said to look at the paper--when the sheen JUST leaves the paper, you can add another color on top without backwashing or making muds

<MomCat-afk> MAKE THEM DARKER BY USING LESS WATER AND/OR ADDING LAYERS

<spinz> are we talking letting it dry?

<RubberRabb> just a little bit

<RubberRabb> (lets the pigment sink into the paper)

<MomCat-afk> SPINZ IF YOU MIX RED AND BLUE OPAQUES TOGETHER ON YOUR PALATTE YOU WILL GET PURPLE

<spinz> oh, does the paper pucker?

<Janet> (am I back?)

<deb> yes

<MomCat-afk> BUT YOU CAN'T MIX AND LAYER THEM ON THE PAPER THE WAY YOU CAN THE TRANSPARENTS

<spinz> and, if i do a layer of blue and a wash of red on top, i'll get shades of purple?

<cak> We can see you, can you see us?

<Janet> you can't??

<MomCat-afk> WITH TRANSPARENTS YOU WILL, SPINZ

<spinz> oooooohhhh, gotcha!

<Janet> yeah, maybe a different ISP will help

<spinz> ohhhhhh, i got some transparents

<Janet> or acrylics will work with layering color on the paper, too

<spinz> oops, back to my other q! talk about acrylics and flow release, janet

<MomCat-afk> jANET, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION?

<Janet> let me do it tonight, will you be here? my whole class is about the different kinds of paints and techniques with each.

<spinz> i'll be there

<Janet> (if you're not going to be here, I can answer now, though. I just don't want to take over Diane's class or her topic)

<MomCat-afk> I WON'T BE THERE, BUT THERE WILL BE A LOG, RIGHT?

<RubberRabb> we've already led Diane astray several times

<spinz> i think she's ready to boot me...there's so much i don't know!

<MomCat-afk> JANET, GO AHEAD

<Janet> Charlotte always comes through. :)

<MomCat-afk> SPINZ, IT'S THE QUESTIONS THAT MAKE THIS KIND OF CLASS WORTHWHILE

<Janet> Acrylics will never look just like watercolors, they're different animals. But you can use watercolor technique and get that transparent watercolor look (sort of) using a lot of water with acrylics.

<spinz> sort of is good

<Janet> it's plastic-based. it's not going to look like watercolor, though

<RubberRabb> gotta go--thanks a lot MomCat--this was interesting--will go play some this evening.. Layering and mixing colors..

<MomCat-afk> BYE, RR

<Janet> you can get a real credible watercolor look using your dye ink pads as paint, though.

<JonaFromGe> someone has to tell her about the 20sec

<Janet> LOL

<spinz> how about using the dyes i use for wool and cotton?

<Janet> those will work wonderfully well.

<spinz> are you gonna talk about them later?

<MomCat-afk> I GOT A SURPRISE WHEN I COLORED THE GIRAFFE

<Janet> absolutely. this was the color mixing class. Mine is the how to paint and what's different about different kinds of paints class.

<MomCat-afk> I THINK I "INVENTED" A NEW TECHNIQUE

<Janet> How's that, Diane?

<MomCat-afk> tHE GIRAFFE'S SPOTS SHOULD BE DARKER THAN THE REST OF IT

<Janet> they are in the scan

<MomCat-afk> BUT IN THE STAMP THE "SPOTS" ARE HOLES

<spinz> holes?

<MomCat-afk> I DON'T HAVE YELLOW OR ORANGE EP

<Janet> that makes sense.

<Janet> so you can color them in whatever color appeals to you

<MomCat-afk> HOLES - THERE IS NO STAMP THERE

<MomCat-afk> SO I INKED THE STAMP WITH THE MARIGOLD FROM MY COLORBOX OPTIONS PAD

<MomCat-afk> STAMPED IT AND THEN EMBOSSED IT WITH CLEAR EP

<MomCat-afk> i HAD STAMPED IT ON BUFF OR LIGHT BEIGE PAPER

<MomCat-afk> WHEN THE EP HAD COOLED, I TOOK MY ADRIONDAK "CABIN FEVER" PAD

<MomCat-afk> AND SCRUBBED IT ALL OVER THE GIRAFFE

<MomCat-afk> MAKING SURE TO GET BROWN IN THE SPOTS

<deb> we''ll call this Diane's Coat

<MomCat-afk> THEN I USED NEWS PAPER TO SCRUB THE BROWN OF OF THE EMBOSSED PART OF THE IMAGE

<Janet> LOL

<JonaFromGe> LOL great idea:-))

<MomCat-afk> AND THE RESULT WAS A SORT OF CRACKLED LOOK

<deb> excellent idea diane

<MomCat-afk> WHICH i THINK LOOKS MUCH MORE LIKE A REAL ANIMAL SKIN THAN PLAIN SOLID COLOR WOULD

<Janet> It looks neat in the scan.

<MomCat-afk> YOU CAN SEE THE CRACKLE A LITTL BIT IN THE SCAN

<JonaFromGe> but it looks like a real geraffe

<MomCat-afk> JANET I LIKE THE RESULT SO MUCH I AM KEEPING IT

<MomCat-afk> THANKS

<Janet> It does!

<deb> thanks Diane

<deb> good class

<deb> thought provoking

<JonaFromGe> great class:-)))

<Janet> Diane, I have to say, I don't like most of my samples and I'm gonna give 'em away.

<MomCat-afk> THANKS, DEB YOU ARE WELCOME AND THANKS FOR YOUR HELP

<spinz> thanks diane...i am off to look at the web sites

<deb> no problem

<Janet> but not the stamps. I LUV the stamps. :)

<deb> glad I could help

<MomCat-afk> YOUR WELCOME,

<Janet> Diane, I wished I could have been here for the color mixing part. Danged bouncing anyway.

<dbstampin> thanks diane!

<dbstampin> maybe I'll open that box of watercolors now <g>!

<MomCat-afk> JANET WE TOUCHED LEAST ON THAT

<MomCat-afk> BUT WE DID RELATE IT TO THE COLOR WHEEL SOME

<Janet> but that was the part I wanted most. of course if you'd covered it, then I would have been sad I missed it all

<MomCat-afk> well we did discuss it but other questions kept popping up

<Janet> what I saw looked fun

<MomCat-afk> It was

<MomCat-afk> Janet!

<Janet> (although now I need to develop different course content for mine tonight)

<Janet> Diane!

<MomCat-afk> you now have 4 god noses and 2 god-snakelings

<Janet> oh most excellent!

<cak> Janet, there are still plenty of questions floating about out there--you probably don't have to change a thing

<Janet> Frank will be so proud. There'll be no stopping him strutting now.

<MomCat-afk> Don't change, you will have mostly different people

<MomCat-afk> lol

cak is thinking "she's happy to have 4 noses not her own?"

<Janet> Mine really centers on different kinds of paint and how to work with each.

<MomCat-afk> I am really interested in that

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