<Janet> SO TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SIZE. (SIZE MATTERS)

<Frog> yes, it does

<Owen> Oh well.

<Frog> lol

<Janet> LOL

<Owen> So it goes.

<Cheri> Janet, I don't have a scanner, do you have pics somewhere for us to use?

<Janet> IN WEB GRAPHICS AND WELL, ANY GRAPHICS, THE SMALLER THE SIZE FILE YOU CAN GET, THE BETTER. THE TRICK IS TO NOT COMPROMISE QUALITY FOR SIZE

<Janet> CHERI, I WAS USING THE ONE I SCANNED OF THE PENDANT I DID AFTER LAST WEEK'S CLASS (DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE BUT =I= WAS INSPIRED<G>)

<Janet> http://dm.net/~janet/lab.jpg (I THINK)

<MaggieB> oh sooo inspired janet!

<Cheri> that was it, thanks

<Janet> oh wait. that one is already compressed. LOL

<Janet> let me go dump an uncompressed one. hands-on tonight is to make a file smaller.

<Cheri> ok

<Janet> SO WHILE I'M DUMPING AN UNCOMPRESSED FILE INTO A SPACE, TELL ABOUT WHAT YOU FOUND IN YOUR GRAPHICS SOFTWARE THAT YOU LIKED THE MOST?

<Janet> A FILTER OR SOMETHING?

<MaggieB> i scanned and left my image at 150dpi since you always say best to do dbl and then change when ready to use

<Janet> GOOD GIRL, MAGGIE (MY HEAD SWELLS, SOMEONE LISTENS<G>)

<MaggieB> oh oh

<MaggieB> swelling janet again...

<Janet> LOL

<sparkle> sheesh

<MaggieB> i was afraid to monkey with it too much

<sparkle> you know how hard I have to work to unswell her now?

<Janet> I LIKE PLAYING WITH THE FILTERS. OF COURSE I'M EASILY AMUSED.

<Janet> LOL

<MaggieB> without knowing what it would do

<Owen> I found out my picture viewer does almost as good as my picture editor at reducing the number of colours used.

<Janet> OKAY. BEFORE I TEACH ANYTHING ELSE, I'M GONNA TEACH YOU ALL THIS.

<Janet> WRITE THIS DOWN.

<Owen> Does that count?

sparkle gets out her pen

<Janet> OWEN, THAT'S SOMETHING REALLY VALUABLE.

<MaggieB> is logging ok?

<Janet> OKAY, WRITE THIS DOWN....

<Janet> LOGGING IS OKAY

<Janet> UNDO IS YOUR FRIEND.

<MaggieB> that i know

<sparkle> oh!

<sparkle> LOL

<MaggieB> lol

sparkle knows Undo

<Mar> i second that

<Janet> FIND THE "UNDO" FUNCTION ON YOUR SOFTWARE AND LEARN HOW TO USE IT.

<Janet> THEN YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT, AND IF IT SCREWS STUFF UP, HIT "UNDO"

<Owen> I love my multi-level undo.

<cak> (and count your lucky stars if you can do multiple undos)

<Frog> I know that!!! Gee, I feel smart. Hope it lasts...sigh

<Janet> YEAH, MY HIGH DOLLAR PROGRAM HAS A COMMAND CENTER, LISTS ALL THE COMMANDS I'VE USED SINCE MY LAST SAVE, I LOVE THIS, I CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT TO UNDO

<sparkle> the newer versions of PSP do that too

<Frog> I use undo a LOT..lol

<Owen> Wish I had that.

<Owen> I just have to keep undoing till it looks right again.<G>

<Lineka> lol

<Lineka> me too

<MaggieB> you mean with newer psp that you can go back multiple layers?

<MaggieB> not just one?

<Janet> (okay, cheri, pick up http://dm.net/~janet/lab2.jpg )

<Cheri> ty

<Lineka> wow that take a long time to download

<Lineka> hi Nikki

<Nikki> hi all

<Janet> this is 98+ kbytes

<Janet> yep. NOW you're' going to fix that. :)

<Lineka> do we save image as?

<Janet> YOU CAN REDUCE THE SIZE OF YOUR GRAPHICS FILES IN SEVERAL WAYS. LET'S GO OVER THE OBVIOUS WAYS.

<Janet> YEP, AS YOU TRY EACH OF THESE THINGS, DO A "SAVE AS" SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FILE SIZES IN WINDOWS EXPLORER (OR WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT FILE SIZES WITH) YOU CAN SEE WHICH IS WHICH

<Lineka> Nikki http://dm.net/~janet/lab2.jpg )

<Janet> IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR OWN PHOTO OR GRAPHIC TO PLAY WITH.

<Janet> ONE OBVIOUS WAY IS TO JUST MAKE IT SMALLER. LESS PIXELS WIDE BY LESS PIXELS HIGH

<Janet> YOU ALL DID LEARN HOW TO RESIZE THINGS IN YOUR PROGRAMS, RIGHT?

<sparkle> yes teacher

<Janet> GOOD GIRL

<Owen> Sure

Janet SLAPS A GOLD STAR ON SPARKLE AND OWEN'S FOREHEADS

<Stampcat> yep

<Janet> YAY!

<MaggieB> in psp it does it many ways

<MaggieB> i am used to doing it with inches

<Janet> BUT SUPPOSE YOUR GRAPHIC IS ALREADY JUST THE SIZE YOU WANT.

<sparkle> yes and they're all on the same dialog window <G>

<MaggieB> old habits die hard

<Janet> MAGGIE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT FOR A WEB PAGE? YOU CAN STILL DO IT IN INCHES, IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU'RE USED TO VISUALIZING...

<Janet> BUT KNOW THAT ON THE MONITOR SCREEN IT WILL APPEAR AT 72 OR 75 DPI

<Lineka> wait..how do I resize?

<Janet> (DEPENDING ON MAC OR WINDOWS)

<Janet> WHAT PROGRAM, LINEKA?

<Lineka> PSP 4

<MaggieB> i try to keep most images 3 to 4" max on the long side

<MaggieB> 3" if big enough to see detail

<sparkle> shift + S gets resize in PSP5, try that

<Janet> SO LIKE IF YOU WERE USING THAT LAB2.JPG THAT I PUT UP, THAT'S A 300 DPI IMAGE

<Lineka> yes

<Janet> CHANGE IT TO 75 DPI AND THEN SEE HOW MANY INCHES ACROSS IT WOULD PRINT. PROBABLY BIGGER THAN YOU'D WANT ON A WEB PAGE.

<Janet> (GEE, I'D HOPE BIGGER, IT'S A BIG HONKIN FILE)

<Janet> OR REALLY IT'S NOT, IT'S LESS THAN 250XWHATEVER.

<Janet> BUT IT'S A TINY LIL TREASURE JEWEL FROM JHONE

<sparkle> LOL..unless everyone is using 25" monitors to view it

<sparkle> then it fits just right

<Lineka> ok I found it

<Lineka> I'm behind

<Lineka> do what ?

<Janet> OKAY, SUPPOSE YOU WANTED TO SHOW ALL THE LOVELY DETAILS IN THIS FILE (WHICH I DID, THESE SUCKERS ARE GORGEOUS)...

<Janet> AND SO YOU WANTED IT JUST THE SIZE IT IS NOW.

<MaggieB> why would changeing it from 300dpi to 75dpi change the size? it is still dots per inch

<Janet> BUT IT LOADS SOOOOO SLOW!

<Janet> MAGGIE, IT DOESN'T, BUT THEN WHEN YOU CHANGE TO LOOK AT THE INCHES ACROSS? IT WOULD SHOW MORE ACCURATELY HOW MANY INCHES IT WOULD BE ON A MONITOR SCREEN.

<Janet> AND SO NOW YOU HAVE DECISIONS TO MAKE.

<MaggieB> oh in the software?!

<Lineka> the next button down would be 320 X 200, click that?

<Janet> WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING ELSE TO YOUR FILE, SAVE IT AS A JPG WITH NO COMPRESSION, AND SAVE IT AS A GIF

<Janet> THEN LOOK AT THE FILE SIZES BETWEEN THE TWO.

<Janet> GIF WILL BE SMALLER RIGHT NOW

<Janet> BUT JPG YOU CAN SET A COMPRESSION RATE. YOU CAN JUST COMPRESS IT SOME (SOME SOFTWARE LISTS THIS AS HIGHER QUALITY)

<cak> because of the more compressed color palette?

<Janet> OR YOU CAN COMPRESS IT A LOT (SMALLER FILE)

<Janet> YEP

<Janet> GIF SAVES YOUR IMAGES AS 256 COLORS (UNLESS YOU SPECIFY EVEN FEWER COLORS)

TheQueen notes that she is here for the COMPANY only

<Janet> LOL

<TheQueen> and cuz I always do what sparkle says ROFLMAO

<Janet> SO DO A SAVE AS ON YOUR FILE AND COMPARE YOUR FILE SIZES, JPG AND GIF

<MaggieB> it tells me that in a box that pops up janet

<MaggieB> like a warning!

<Janet> IT IS A WARNING!!

<Lineka> hi TheQueen,

<MaggieB> SINGLE LAYER AND 256 COLORS

<TheQueen> hi lineka, all

<MaggieB> what would a png do?

<Janet> NOW DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE PLAYING WITH, SOME FILES WILL DO JUST FINE WITH ONLY 64 COLORS. SO OPEN THE GIF VERSION OF WHAT YOU SAVED, AND CHANGE THE COLORS TO ONLY 64.

<cak> (good question maggie)

<Janet> IT WOULD DO ABOUT THE SAME AS A GIF, DEPENDS ON THE FILE.

<Janet> SO MUCH DEPENDS ON THE FILE.

<Janet> AS A GENERAL RULE, PHOTOS DO BETTER AS JPGS, THEY WILL STAY LOOKING GOOD LONGER AT SMALLER FILE SIZES.

<Janet> AND DRAWINGS WITH FEWER COLORS WILL DO BEST AS GIFS

<MaggieB> i hate this..... even with view detail I cannot tell which file is which!!!!

<cak> because it *doesn't* compress the color palette?

<Janet> LIKE A LOGO? OKAY, I WAS JUST WORKING ON THE STAMPFOLK CONVENTION BOOTH BEFORE CLASS AND THEY HAVE A LOGO THAT JUST HAS THREE COLORS IN IT.

<MaggieB> how can i tell which is the gif and which is the jpeg?

<TheQueen> good question maggie

<MaggieB> and which is my original psp file?

<sparkle> are you using a mac or windows?

<MaggieB> they all look the same

<MaggieB> win

<Janet> SO I COULD SAVE THAT LOGO AS A JPG, OR AS A REGULAR GIF, BUT I COULD SAY I WANTED TO SAVE IT AS A FOUR COLOR GIF. AND IF I GET TO PICK THE COLORS (MOST PROGRAMS WILL LET YOU DO AN ADAPTIVE GIF PALETTE) THEN BINGO, THAT'S THE SMALLEST FILE GOING

<sparkle> tell it to show you details so you get the extensions

<MaggieB> i guess i can right click on them

<MaggieB> i did

<Owen> the file extensions tell what type of file it is.

<sparkle> adaptive gif palette????

<MaggieB> it still doesn't show them

sparkle needs to know more about that

<Janet> SO THE POINT OF TONIGHT IS TO PLAY WITH SEVERAL IMAGES, COMPRESSING THEM UNTIL THEY LOOK BAD, (THEN YOU THROW AWAY THE LAST VERSION THAT LOOKED BAD AND USE THE ONE RIGHT BEFORE IT THAT DIDN'T LOOK BAD)

<MaggieB> i know that owen

<MaggieB> but it doenst show the ext

<Janet> AND THEN YOU SEE WHAT KINDS OF PICTURES COMPRESSED BEST SMALLEST HOW.

<Owen> Tell it to show them.

<Stampcat> Which progams allows you to keep compressing?

<TheQueen> (hi owen!)

<TheQueen> hi jhone

<Janet> THEY ALL DO, SORTA KINDA. (HI JHONE)

<jhone> hi janet, hi chris

<Owen> Hi Queen. Still frying down here.

<TheQueen> here too owen, here too, relief on thursday (storms)

<Janet> LOL JHONE I WAS CONFUSED, I WAS TELLING THEM TREASURE JEWEL BUT I STILL HAVE TREASURE JEWEL SCANS HERE.

<Janet> THEY'RE PLAYING WITH A COPPER AND LABRADORITE PENDANT FILE (SOME OF THEM)

<Lineka turned the furnace on today

<Janet> IT WAS JUST 94 HERE TODAY. A COLD SNAP

<TheQueen> lol

<Janet> ANYWAY, TO KEEP COMPRESSING A FILE IF YOUR PROGRAM DOESN'T LET YOU SET A COMPRESSION RATE?

<Janet> SAVE AS A COMPRESSED JPG...

<Janet> THEN OPEN THE COMPRESSED JPG AND SAVE IT AS A COMPRESSED JPG AGAIN

<Janet> EVERY TIME YOU DO THAT, IT COMPRESSES IT MORE

<Janet> UNTIL YOU OPEN ONE AND YOU SAY "EWWWWWWW PIXELATED!"

<MaggieB> without changing the size janet?

<Janet> THROW THAT ONE AWAY

<Owen> 94 here was far too warm. Guess I should move to Alaska. Except I hate Ice and snow.

<sparkle> ROFL

<Janet> WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING BUT SAYING TO SAVE IT AS A COMPRESSED JPG

<TheQueen> lol owen

<TheQueen> oh neat janet, it keeps compressing?

<Stampcat> SO how do you keep getting it smaller?

<Janet> YOU CAN DROP OUT SOME COLORS... IF YOU'VE SCANNED A 64 BIT TRUE COLOR IMAGE, CHANGE IT TO 256 COLORS AND SEE IF YOU CAN SEE A DIFFERENCE.

<cak> keep saving the file at lower and lower quality?

<Janet> (YOU PROBABLY CAN SEE A SLIGHT ONE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY ACCEPTABLE LOSS)

<Janet> THEN SAVE IT AS A NEW NAME AND COMPARE YOUR FILE SIZES.

<Owen> You know, irfanview will do all these things, and races through pic files faster than PSP.

<Janet> THAT'S A DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE, BETWEEN 256 COLORS AND TRUE COLOR

<Janet> OWEN, SOME PROGRAMS DO SOME THINGS BETTER. (THIS IS WHY I KEEP USING THREE OR FOUR PER IMAGE. LOL)

<sparkle> ewwww.pixelated

<MaggieB> janet what do you scan at? High definition or true color?

<Janet> LOL THROW IT AWAY.<G>

<sparkle> IU wanted to see what 99% compression did <G>

<Janet> WHATEVER IS THE HIGHEST SETTING, MARGE. THEN I PLAY WITH IT, AND SAVE IT AS LESS COLORS USUALLY.

<MaggieB> with a histogram?

<Janet> IF IT'S NOT EASY TO SAVE A JPG AS LESS COLORS IN YOUR SOFTWARE, SAVE IT AS A GIF, THEN OPEN THE GIF AND SAVE THAT AS A JPG (IT'S BECOME AUTOMAGICALLY 256 COLORS)

<Janet> YEP, I PLAY WITH THE HISTOGRAM, WITH THE CONTRAST LEVELS, USUALLY PLAY WITH THE SHARPEN FILTER (WHAT GOES ON THE WEB I USUALLY MAKE SHARPER THAN I'D NORMALLY LIKE TO SEE PRINTED)

<MaggieB> automagical... is that in the dictionary?

<Janet> THEN COMPARE YOUR FILE SIZES AFTER YOU'VE SAVED A FEW VERSIONS.

<Janet> LOL IT'S IN MY DICTIONARY. SO MUCH OF WHAT I DO SEEMS AUTO-MAGICAL TO ME

<Janet> IS THIS ALL MAKING SENSE SO FAR?

<sparkle> functions like auto-proof are way fun too, 'cause you can see what the change is going to do before you hit OK

<Lineka> I'm afraid not, but what's new

<Janet> LOL

<Janet> WHAT'S CONFUSING, LINEKA?

<Lineka> everything

<Janet> (I WAS THINKING THE HARDEST THING TONIGHT MAY BE HOW TO SEE THE FILE SIZES)

<Lineka> but not to worry I'll catch up

<MaggieB> so we can compress a pic without changing the size by saving as jpg and then resaving and resaving

<Janet> AND THEN THE LIGHTBULB WENT OFF, MOST OF YOUR SOFTWARE WILL HAVE AN INFO BUTTON OR PROPERTIES FUNCTION. YOU CAN VIEW THE SIZE OF EACH WITH THAT.

<MaggieB> the jpg over and ove

<Janet> YEP, MAGGIE

<Janet> OR TRY SAVING IT AS A GIF, THEN OPENING THE GIF AND SAVING THAT AS A COMPRESSED JPG

<MaggieB> do you usually take it down in size first?

<MaggieB> or after you compress?

<Janet> THE THEORY HERE IS THAT YOU'RE REDUCING THE COLOR COUNT (SO THE FILE DOESN'T HAVE SO MUCH INFO TO STORE)

<Janet> I TAKE IT DOWN IN SIZE FIRST, UNTIL IT'S THE SIZE I WANT, THEN I COMPRESS IT.

<MaggieB> ok that makes sense

<MaggieB> make it the actual size you want and then start to compress

<Janet> I'D HATE TO WORK AND WORK TO GET SOMETHING DOWN TO 20KBYTES AND THEN RESIZE IT AND IT'S NOW 10 KBYTES AND LOOKS LIKE SHIT WHEN IT DIDN'T HAVE TO

<MaggieB> compression process

<MaggieB> how many bytes do you like to get them down to?

<Janet> I AIM FOR ANYTHING I PUT ON THE WEB TO BE 30 KBYTES OR LESS. SO NOBODY HAS TO WAIT TO SEE MY PURTY PICTURES

<Janet> (WHOA, I'M PSYCHIC NOW)

<MaggieB> yeppers!

<Lineka> we know that!

<TheQueen> psycho?

<Janet> AND THE SLICE AND DICE TRICK WORKS FOR GRAPHICS THAT ARE JUST TOO BIG IN SIZE TO GET DOWN THAT SMALL.

<Janet> PSYCHO TOO.<G>

<Owen> Some of the web tutorials claim that for every 10 seconds your page takes to load you lose 10 percent or more of your viewers.

<cak> so each slice is the right size?

<Janet> I BELIEVE THAT.

<Owen> Not to bad for a personal page, but a disaster if you are selling something.

<TheQueen> owen, that's true

<MaggieB> i do too........ even with cable modem i get impatient

<Owen> I believe it.

<TheQueen> i went to a website today that was HORRID to load, like 82 images

<Janet> YEAH, AND SLICE AND DICE, I AIM FOR MY SLICES TO BE 10KBYTES OR LESS, JUST BECAUSE I WANT THOSE SLICES TO POP ON THE PAGE.<G>

<MaggieB> people want faster and faster

<TheQueen> and took forever, it was a for sale rubber stamps site

<Janet> I'M ONE OF THESE, I JUST WON'T WAIT USUALLY

<Janet> (WELL, STAMPS ON SALE, I MIGHT WAIT<G>)

<Lineka> lol

<MaggieB> why wouldn't they split up the images to more pages?

<Owen> I went to a book auction online once. Never did find out what was being auctioned.

<MaggieB> i think that helps too

<TheQueen> i hate that owen

<Owen> I got tired of waiting for the images to load.

<Lineka> stamp site seem to be the worst though

<Lineka> IMHO

<Janet> I HAVE LEARNED, TOO, THAT IF YOU SPLIT THE IMAGES INTO MORE THAN ONE TABLE, EVEN IF IT WOULD WORK AS ONE BIG TABLE, THEN EACH TABLE LOADS AND SHOWS UP BEFORE THE NEXT ONE STARTS.

<MaggieB> janet...... how many bytes of images should one put on a page?

<Janet> AND THAT HELPS, SO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT WHILE THE REST LOADS

<Janet> I DON'T KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON THE PAGE, BUT I WOULD TRY TO HAVE EACH CHUNK OF THEM 100K OR LESS. EITHER WITH SEPARATE TABLES OR SLICED IMAGES OR WHATEVER

<Janet> I'M SO IMPATIENT

<sparkle> Janet, is there any way to control what parts load first?

<TheQueen> yeah, impatient is the word i'd use for ya <G>

<sparkle> do they load in alpha order or what?

<MaggieB> i don't understand the term sliced images

<Janet> OH MAGGIE, THAT'S YOU MISSING THE END OF HTML CLASS...

<Janet> THIS IS A COOL DEAL...

<MaggieB> ok i will go read the notes

<MaggieB> and catch up

<Owen> Sliced and diced.

<Owen> <G>

<Mar> i still have to try that, in my to do list

<MaggieB> thats cool

<Janet> MAKE A BIG GRAPHIC, AND IT'S LOVELY, AND THEN SLICE IT INTO A CHECKERBOARD, SAVING EACH PIECE AS A SEPARATE FILE

<Janet> THEN PUT 'EM BACK TOGETHER IN A TABLE WITH ZERO BORDER

<MaggieB> oh i have seen that on pages

<MaggieB> usually people's logos

<Janet> AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE AT http://dm.net/~janet/mayard

<TheQueen> and don't animate them <G> right Janet?

<Lineka> lol

<Janet> YEAH, I'VE DONE IT ON LOGOS AND TOPS OF PAGES, BECAUSE I WANT THAT, MORE THAN ANYTHING, TO BE KNOCK YER SOCKS OFF GORGEOUS

<Janet> LOL

<TheQueen> i.e. ma vinci

<MaggieB> that is gorgous!

<MaggieB> but those overlap!

<Lineka> ? Janet, is there such a word as "rasterizing"?

<MaggieB> the pics overlap

<Janet> YEAH, MY BIGGEST GOOF LATELY WAS DOING A SLICE AND DICE CONVENTION BOOTH, WITH ONE LIL SLICE AS AN ANIMATION. BUT IN FIXING A WORD ON IT, I MESSED IT UP AND GOT THE WHOLE PAGE (ALL THE SLICES) ANIMATED, BUT WITH ALL THE ANIMATED PART OF THE REST OF THE BOOTH BLANK

<TheQueen> if there isn't, there should be lineka, great word for scrabble or literati <G>

<Janet> SO IT LOOKED LIKE A FLICKERING NEON SIGN

<Mar> in psp, you can add a new raster layer

<Janet> RASTERIZING. I LIKE THAT!

<TheQueen> that would be a ton of points janet <G>

<MaggieB> raster is at end of html class too?

<Janet> I THINK IN FIREWORKS IT'S JUST CALLED ADDING A NEW LAYER

<Lineka> What in the world does it mean?

<Janet> OH YEAH. Y AND Z

<MaggieB> raster and vector?

<Owen> I am looking. I kind of know but not how to express it.

<Lineka> is it important to adding text to images?

<Janet> WE SORTA KINDA TOUCHED ON RASTER AND VECTOR LAST WEEK. I THINK MAYBE NEXT CLASS IN THE FALL SHOULD BE IN A DRAW PROGRAM SO WE LEARN VECTORS

<Mar> vector layers you can change the image on the layer with the use of vectors

<Janet> NOT NECESSARILY, LINEKA. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND IF YOU WANT TEXT OR NOT

<Mar> vectors my least favorite thing at the moment

<Janet> HEY, ALICIA.

<MaggieB> we talked vector last week........ don't remember hearing raster

<AliciaG> hello =)

<Janet> VECTORS DON'T INTUITIVELY MAKE SENSE TO MY NON-MATH BRAIN

<Lineka> I remember vector but not raster

<cak> raster = bitmap?

<MaggieB> me neither

<Mar> if you add to images different things on layers then you can change a layer at a time

<Janet> YEAH, IT'S JUST ANOTHER PIECE OF VOCABULARY

<Janet> I DO LIKE LAYERS. WE'LL DO SOME WITH LAYERS (IF YOU'VE GOT 'EM) NEXT WEEK.

<Janet> SO NEXT WEEK YOUR SKILLS TO LEARN ARE...

<Lineka> ty, Mar, I still have your email addy ;->

<Mar> example if you are drawing a person put face on one layer, body on another , arms on another, if you want to change the face, you just go to that layer, you do not have to redo the entire image

<Janet> MASKING (YIKES)

<Cheri> Janet will there be class pages like th html class

<Janet> HOW TO TURN A MASK INTO AN OBJECT (IF YOUR SOFTWARE DOES THAT)

<Janet> CHERI, THERE WILL BE. I DIDN'T GET IT DONE THIS WEEK, CONVENTION BOOTH WRITING IS EATING MY LUNCH LATELY

<Janet> HOW TO MASK AND FOUNTAIN FILL AN AREA

<cak> (greedy thing)

<Janet> (Y'ALL ARE WRITING THIS DOWN, RIGHT, THIS IS HOMEWORK<G>)

<sparkle> lol

<Lineka> yep, notepad

<sparkle> does logging count?

<Frog> Perhaps next week my modem won't crap out on me

<Janet> IF YOU CHECK YOUR LOG BEFORE NEXT WEEK TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW HOW TO DO THIS STUFF.<G>

<sparkle> oh

<Lineka> masking, fountaining, rastering vectoring.....

<Janet> CROSS OFF RASTERING AND VECTORING, LINEKA. OR PUT THEM AT THE BOTTOM. LOL

<Janet> BUT MASKING IS IMPORTANT.

<cak> fountian fill? (using the Paintbucket tool?)

<Janet> KNOW HOW TO MASK!

<Lineka> k

<Janet> AND YEAH, GET TO KNOW YOUR PAINTBUCKET TOOL

<Lineka> I hate painting

<Janet> AND IF YOUR PROGRAM WILL DO FOUNTAIN FILLS, OR PATTERN FILLS, GET TO KNOW HOW TO DO THAT, TOO

sparkle knows to use save between paintbucket clicks or undo undoes the whole thing!

<Janet> LOL.

<Lineka> ty Janet

<Janet> OH AND GET TO KNOW THE "DRAW A CIRCLE" AND "DRAW A SQUARE" TOOL IN YOUR SOFTWARE.

<Cheri> good tip sparkle

<Janet> YES! UNDO WILL FIX IT!

<sparkle> it'll over fix!

<sparkle> in PSP

<sparkle> it goes back to the last save

<sparkle> if you're filling

<Mar> my psp group has a basic mask tutorial this month, i can send anyone the link if they are interested

<sparkle> I'm sure its a "feature" not a bug

<sparkle> but i hate it

<Janet> (I AM ALWAYS DUMPING THE PAINTBUCKET AND DISCOVERING THERE'S A TINY HOLE IN A LINE)

<Janet> MAR, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. MASKING IS ONE OF THE MOST COMPLICATED THINGS

<Janet> BUT ONE OF THE MOST USEFUL

<Lineka> yes Mar, I think I miss placed that

<Owen> Rasterizing is the process of converting vector-based graphics to pixels of information.

<Lineka> ty Owen, clear as mud

<Owen> A definition that doesn't define. I love it.

<Mar> send me a message and I will send link to that tutorial

<Lineka> oh I'm sure I'll catch on, LOL

<sparkle> it sounds like it should be rated Owen

<Janet> AND CHECK YOUR SOFTWARE, IF YOUR SOFTWARE WILL DO A CHROMA MASK, THAT'S A USEFUL THING INDEED. (IF IT DOESN'T, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT, IT'S JUST A LAZY TOOL i LIKE)

<Lineka> ty, Mar

<Mar> lineka, i took 2 online classes just with PSP tutorials to understand the basics

<Janet> IT'S PRETTY EASY TO CHANGE A VECTOR INTO A BITMAP

<Janet> BUT CHANGING A BITMAP INTO A VECTOR? YIKES.

<Mar> and now i am in a very active psp list with tons of tutorials available each month.

<Stampcat> WHere did you take them?

<Lineka> ya but will it make a mountain out of a mole hill?

<Janet> LOL

<sparkle> wow! masks are cool!

<Mar> PSP imaginarium, PSP ABC , I am a member of FLYBYNIGHT GRAPHICS and PSP Magic

<Janet> I REALLY LIKE MASKING THINGS AND THEN MESSING WITH JUST PIECES OF A GRAPHIC.

<cak> Chroma mask = Color Range (in PhotoShop)?

<Mar> PSP iamginarium starts new classes in the fall, just started summer one

<Janet> LIKE A PICTURE OF SOMETHING, IF YOU CAN MASK OFF THE MAIN THING, YOU CAN USE FILTERS TO SOFTEN THE BACKGROUND AND REALLY IMPROVE THE LOOK OF THE PHOTO

<Janet> CHROMA MASK IS YEAH, COLOR RANGE MASKING

<Lineka> Mar, didn't you have a webpage, too?

<Janet> IT'S LIKE THE MAGIC WAND MASK (THAT I LOVE) BUT GLOBAL OVER THE WHOLE IMAGE

<Mar> i have the one from Janet's class

<cak> thanks--hard to figure out the differing names for the same tool

<Lineka> yes that's the one

<Janet> OKAY! EVERYBODY SOLID ON HOMEWORK FOR NEXT WEEK AND WHAT WE LEARNED THIS ONE? IT'S TIME FOR Y'ALL TO GET TO THE NEXT CLASS.

<Lineka> masking and fountaining

<Mar> thanks janet

<Janet> LEARN YOUR MASKING AND FOUNTAINING AND HOW TO DRAW CIRCLES AND SQUARES FOR NEXT WEEK!

<Lineka> oh ya

<Janet> AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE US SOME SLICK BULLETS AND BUTTONS FOR OUR PAGES!

<Lineka> circles & squares

<Lineka> Oooo

<Janet> CIRCLES AND SQUARES MAY BE THE SAME TOOL, IT IS IN SOME SOFTWARE AND YOU JUST CHANGE THE OPTION TO CIRCLE OR SQUARE.

<Owen> or freehand.

<Lineka> not my freehand

<Janet> YEAH, OR FREEHAND, THAT WILL MAKE SOME COOL BULLETS TOO

<Lineka> yikes!

<Janet> SEE Y'ALL IN CLASS NEXT WEEK!!

<Janet> HAVE FUN!

<Lineka> by Janet, ty

<Cheri> thanks Janet!

<cak> Thanks Janet

<Owen> Bye. Take care all.

<Janet> THANK YOU ALL FOR PLAYING WIHT ME :)

<Lineka> by Owen

<Lineka> good night, girls

<Stampcat> Thanks

<Lineka> ttyl

<cak> See you all in #craftclass!

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