<Vyx> hi Maggie, cak

<cak> hiya!

<MaggieB> howdy

<MaggieB> janet is in chat

<MaggieB> cybertampers

<MaggieB> we are yacking

<MaggieB> before class

<cak> still going to be corel class tonight?

<MaggieB> yeppers

<cak> Oh--I gotta learn to type faster. Or maybe read before I send.

<Vyx> You know, I have no clue what our homework was.

<Janet> me neither

<Janet> it's been so long

<MaggieB> lol

<Vyx> lol

<MaggieB> it was l month ago!

<MaggieB> doing the invasive stuff

<Janet> and I won't be here next week either

<MaggieB> where you broke apart and invaded the other shape remember

<Vyx> Ah, with squares and circles and matching em up together?

<MaggieB> we know, belgium

<Janet> oh yes!

<MaggieB> yes

Janet will be in beer heaven

Vyx is envious

<Janet> Well, let's do some more of that tonight

<Janet> Alicia!

<Vyx> Hi Alicia

<Janet> Diane!

<Vyx> Hi Diane

<MomCat> Hi!

<Janet> Charlotte! I didn't even see you there!

<MaggieB> hi momcat

<Janet> I'm on a hyper rush or something.

<MomCat> TY, cak

<MaggieB> she is being quiet tonight

<MaggieB> lol

<Janet> I feel so GOOOOD today.

<MaggieB> anticipation janet?

<MaggieB> and conventionover

<Janet> It's gotta be.

<MomCat> Wonderful, Janet!

<Janet> I need a vacation. And convention is over! and I didn't even kill Nic today.

<Janet> Although it was a close thing.

<MaggieB> lol

<cak> Uh, seeing as I just saw your note, maybe I'm not here

<MaggieB> no cak?

<AliciaG> heh

<Janet> uhoh

<MaggieB> your alter ego?

<cak> (not mentally)

<MaggieB> no?

<MaggieB> i am going to call kat

<MaggieB> k?

<Janet> oh. you're not lagging that bad now. Good deal

<Janet> okay. go call Kat

<MaggieB> i know she wanted to be here

<MaggieB> k

<cak> Our university system has been having its problems lately

<MomCat> Would killing nic be enough of a challenge to be fun?

<Janet> hmmm probably not

<MaggieB> kat is coming

<MaggieB> was reading email

<Janet> he's too slow to make it that much fun

<Vyx> good

<MomCat> lol

<MaggieB> didnt watch time

<MaggieB> there she IS!

<kat> hi all

<Vyx> Hi Kat

<MaggieB> hey kat

<kat> sorry i'm late

<MaggieB> lol

<Janet> KAT!

<kat> thanks marge

<MaggieB> yw kat

<cak> Yeah, but he *did* fix my dm.net mailbox

MomCat volunteers to e-mail nic anytime Janet wants. <EG>

<MaggieB> great cak

<MaggieB> are we all here now?

<Janet> I had a small problem today, our Nic hadn't cleaned out log files in who knows how long.

<Vyx> What was wrong with it Charlotte?

<MaggieB> i thought logs stayed forever?

<cak> log files? (it kept getting an error when I tried to access it--)

<Janet> and it's a bad feeling to try to upload a mall page and get "insufficient space on the server" error message

<MaggieB> wow

<MaggieB> insufficient?

<MaggieB> not good

<AliciaG> =)

<Vyx> Ugh!

<MaggieB> running out of room???

<Janet> as in server with zero bytes free

<Janet> NOT good

<MaggieB> noooo

<MaggieB> so who is missing?

<cak> yikes!

<MomCat> Are the log files he didn't clean different from the files of our classes?

<MaggieB> been so long...

<Janet> oh. No. Diane, log access files.

<Janet> anytime anyone hits any of our pages, there's a record of it.

<MomCat> that's what I thought.

<MaggieB> oh those logs

<MaggieB> numbers

<MaggieB> hits

<MaggieB> wow it must have really been full

<MaggieB> so we doing something fun tonight?

<MaggieB> i ran home from a funeral home to be here! lol

<MaggieB> not that i wanted to stay......

<cak> lol--gee thanks maggie! We may be more fun than a funeral???

<MaggieB> lol yep

<Janet> well and every time someone typos a page, it keeps a record of that, too

<cak> I bet there's more than a few records for those too

<MomCat> Oh and at convention time, how many times do you and I bounce around between booths?

<Janet> all those www.cyberstampers.com/mall tries<g>

<MaggieB> so he made a ton of space available?

<Vyx> Wow, I really like the outlined in white with a ?drop shadow for the text on Jens storefront

<MomCat> theres probably a few hundered hits right there.

<Janet> yes! that is a pattern fill with a wide line

<Janet> and then copied and a drop shadow under it

<MaggieB> i am now [maggie says proudly] down to about 666 fonts

<Janet> so the white line sort of jumps at ya

<MaggieB> lol

<Janet> LOL

<kat> yeah maggie

<MaggieB> hey i was over 1000

<Vyx> I never would have thought to outline in the same color like that. Looks great

<MaggieB> and ran out of room

<Janet> and no, Nic has NOT made room on the server yet. I nuked out things that we may need another day but didn't need this day

<MaggieB> yikes

<MaggieB> wonderful

MaggieB is being facetious

<Janet> really

<Janet> okay!

<kat> okay

<Janet> so did everybody ever successfully merge shapes?

<MaggieB> so janet what are you going to try to drill through this thick head tonight?

<MaggieB> yes!

<Janet> yay!

<MaggieB> lol

<MaggieB> tried to make it harder than it was

<Vyx> I did. But I don't think I saved it. Can't rem if that was before or after the latest format.

<MaggieB> we all hashed it out the night your server went belly up

<Janet> With that knowledge, and the knowledge of how to manipulate those curve nodes, you can go just about anywhere

<MaggieB> oh yeah janet?

<Janet> you can :)

<MaggieB> aint taking me to europe!

<MaggieB> lol

<Janet> Well that knowledge and an airline ticket will.

<Janet> working for me. :)

<MaggieB> lol

<MaggieB> so how is that possible?

<MaggieB> applications?

<MaggieB> or am i being dense again?

<Janet> Okay!

<Vyx> Hum. I just noticed my background color on my index page is different.

<Janet> remember your logo design with the spiral on it?

<MaggieB> yes

<MaggieB> out of the box

<MaggieB> class page

<Janet> have you tried to combine the spiral and that text yet?

<MaggieB> i could have integrated it more?

<Janet> yes!

<MaggieB> hmmmmmmmm

<MaggieB> okay, got your point

<Janet> you could have converted the text to curves, then combined the spiral and the one letter

<MaggieB> so we can take images and integrate too?

<MaggieB> or just shapes and letters?

<MaggieB> line stuff

<Janet> and then when you changed colors or lines or whatnot, it all would have behaved as one object

<MaggieB> i see

<kat> wow

<Vyx> ah

<Janet> your images? like photos? those are a whole nother ball game

<MaggieB> i had to play with the spiral to get it where it looked like

<MaggieB> it went into a letter

<MaggieB> but i could have really made it do that!

<MaggieB> instead of looking like it

<MaggieB> it would have

<Janet> yes!

<MaggieB> k

<MaggieB> cool

<kat> neat

<Janet> you can take letters and add things, objects, to them

<Janet> like oh!

<Janet> here's one.

<MaggieB> photos is when you do photoshop and paint class?

<Janet> KAT does her name...

<Janet> converts the letters to curves

<Janet> then erases the triangle out of the top of the A

<MaggieB> and draws a kitty?

<Janet> because as you notice when you convert text to curves, the "holes" of letters are like combined objects

<kat> that could be way cool

<kat> many ideas for that

<Janet> draws a kitty. or pulls in a clipart kitty outline, like out of one of the symbols fonts

<MaggieB> and fuses them

<Janet> or takes a cat's tail and cuts the tail off the kitty and puts it on the swash of the beginning K

<Janet> and puts the cat head on the top corner of the K

<Janet> so the K is a kitty

<MaggieB> a dismembered cat???

<MaggieB> yikes

<MaggieB> lol

<Janet> LOL

<kat> lol

<Janet> not dismembered, just a little, uh, rearranged

<Vyx> LOL

<MaggieB> oh ok

<kat> lol

<MaggieB> lol

<Vyx> hi Owen!

<Janet> Owen!

<MaggieB> nypd blue in background makes me think dismembered

<MaggieB> sorry

<MaggieB> hi owen

<Owen> Hi

<Vyx> (that's who was missing!)

<MaggieB> thats who was missing

<kat> hi owen

<MaggieB> OWEN!

<MaggieB> lol

<Janet> (gee, we start talking about dismembering small animals and Owen shows up. Coincidence?)

<kat> lol

<MaggieB> lol

<Owen> I was watching Buffy.

<Janet> (I think not)

<Owen> Sorry.

<Owen> I never dismember small animals.

<Owen> Unless I think they deserve it.

<Janet> LOL

<MaggieB> never squish spiders?

<MaggieB> lol

<Owen> Spiders aren't animals.

<MaggieB> true

<Owen> They are disgusting scary, hairy things.

<MaggieB> yep

<MaggieB> so janet what do we get to do tonight?

<Janet> So now here's your challenge for the next two weeks... look at objects. Like the clipart that's included in the Corel package (cd 2 usually)

<Janet> and look at how those objects are combined

<Janet> it's a whole new way of looking at things

<MaggieB> what exactly do you mean?

<Janet> you'll notice that a lot of those, that look like something is outlined in black?

<MaggieB> how the clipart is joined within itself?

<Janet> it's really a whole black object with the colors on top

<Janet> yes, and let's play with our symbol sets tonight

<MaggieB> symbol sets?

<MaggieB> wingdings?

<Janet> See the star?

<kat> what star

<MaggieB> no.....

<Janet> you may not, I think it hides under the A?

<kat> where

<Janet> I don't have Corel open, but under the text tool there's maybe a star

<kat> what A

<Janet> but there may be an easier way to get there

<MaggieB> cannot get under A

<Janet> LOL I'm gonna have to open Corel and look.

<Janet> (meanwhile, open your symbols docker)

<MaggieB> anyone see a star?

<Janet> which is I think under the windows menu

<MaggieB> what is that???

<Owen> I need to get my cd fixed.

<MaggieB> symbols and special characters?

<Janet> yes!

<MaggieB> under windows-lockers-scroll down

<Janet> I knew I shoulda rebooted before class. Corel is taking its time about opening for me

<MaggieB> almost to bottom on mine

<Janet> yes!

<MaggieB> but still dont see a star

<Janet> that may be in a different version

<Janet> (like coulda been in version 3 my memory is a quirky thing)

<MaggieB> windows -Dockers

<MaggieB> not lockers

<MaggieB> you would think i have a cold!

<MaggieB> lol

<Janet> LOL

<MaggieB> everyone find the symbols docker?

<kat> control F11

<MaggieB> shortcut?

<Vyx> OH. View, then Dockers.

<kat> that's what it said

<MaggieB> mine is under windows

<MaggieB> version 9 kat?

<Vyx> Only windows on mine is Window, and that's for tiling, etc.

<MaggieB> in corel?

<Vyx> yes

<MaggieB> tools then windows then help

<kat> Symbols & Special Characters Control F!!

<MaggieB> it comes up as a bunch of squares

<MaggieB> ???

<MaggieB> same thing?

<MaggieB> oh no!

<MaggieB> therer goes teach!

<Vyx> whups

<MaggieB> bet she is rebooting

<kat> does it depend on the font you are using

<MaggieB> cuz too slow

<Vyx> yep, prolly

<Owen> Probably right.

<MaggieB> probably

<MaggieB> cuz it lists the fonts on top

<MaggieB> right?

<Vyx> My screen split, 1/2 is the Symbols things. Is that what I want?

<Owen> Buffy is good tonite.

<MaggieB> hard to see split screen

<MaggieB> that is mine too

<kat> I had the screen split horizontally before and couldn't find the A

<MaggieB> page on left and a bunch of screens on right

<MaggieB> i do side by side

<MaggieB> and the fonts are on top

<kat> that's what i'm doing now

<MaggieB> i think this is what she wants

<Vyx> Yeah, alternative fonts.

<kat> what font do you have on maggie

<MaggieB> 101 puppies

<MaggieB> lol

<MaggieB> is what shows

<cak> (dammit, our cable company doesn't carry a UPN station)

<MaggieB> i dont have anything selected

<kat> the symbols do change when you change the font

<MaggieB> oh mY

<MaggieB> they DO!

<kat> this could be way fun

<MaggieB> wow

<cak> I'm looking at Hoefler Text Ornament--

<MaggieB> sure could

<kat> I don't have that one cak

<MaggieB> dont either

<cak> I'm on a Mac,

<MaggieB> wonder what we will do with these

<cak> so I'll have some different ones

<MaggieB> oh thats right cak

<MaggieB> but some same

<cak> and some very similar with different names too

<MaggieB> actually if i scroll on the squares

<MaggieB> i think it shows you

<MaggieB> all that is included in that font

<MaggieB> there she is

<MaggieB> rebooted janet?

<Janet> Sigh. Some days everything is an adventure.

<Vyx> WB Janet

<Janet> yeah, spontaneous reboot. I hate it when it does that.

<cak> lol

<MaggieB> so we think we found it janet

<cak> (glad you're back!)

<MaggieB> i thought you just rebooted for speed

<Janet> I knew I was in trouble, though. I kept trying to type in here and it was seeing every letter as a keyboard shortcut

<Vyx> Yeah, I have a page with a smiley face, a nice bullet and a cat.

<MaggieB> oops

<Janet> so I couldn't type, but i kept opening up all sorts of different dialog boxes

<Janet> okay!

<MaggieB> so janet does this show us what each font has included?

<Janet> pick a picture you like out of that display?

<Janet> and drag it onto your corel file

<Janet> it does!

<kat> if you scroll with the wheel it scrolls the different fonts

<MaggieB> from any particular font?

<Janet> and you can just drag things out to your paper

<Janet> no, whatever font you like

<Janet> so like a swashy K from a font, then a cat head from wingdings, whatever appeals

<Janet> drag it from the docker onto your paper. magic eh?

<MaggieB> so easy way to see them all!

<Janet> and you can then make it as big as you want it to be

<MaggieB> picture show

<MaggieB> cool

<Vyx> Yep, this is cool

<MaggieB> i hate that character map

<MaggieB> this is so much better

<Vyx> Ariel Alternative Symbol has what looks like braille

<Janet> it's slower than character map, but it is nice

<MaggieB> but you can see them all at once

<MaggieB> i like it better

<MaggieB> course we all get lazy and have favorites

<MaggieB> cuz get tired of lookint

<Janet> Well and if you drag and drop letters?

<Janet> they aren't text, they are curves!

<MaggieB> already?

<MaggieB> why?

<Janet> already

<MaggieB> cuz they are pics?

<Janet> because it's the symbols docker<g>

<MaggieB> hmmm

<MaggieB> cool

<Janet> it's just the way it was written

<Janet> drag out an O from some font

<MaggieB> so you can pick your fonts here too?

<Janet> you can pick them, but if you want to be able to edit the text, use the text tool

<MaggieB> ok

<Janet> and then after you have an O dragged out, go into the arrange menu and pick "break apart"

<MaggieB> cannot edit like we did when you get them from here?

<Janet> which is the opposite of the combine we learned oh so many weeks ago

<Janet> if you want to be able to edit words, you need to use the text tool

<Janet> this docker will have them already converted to curves

<Janet> and you can't convert text back

<MaggieB> ok

<Janet> (other than with undo, but it has to start out as text to get to undo back to it)

<Vyx> I'm sorry, I'm just too tired to follow along tonight.

<MaggieB> so now we broke apart...

<Janet> and look! how many objects do you have?

<kat> now what

<Vyx> need sleep, was too nervous last night.

<MaggieB> log and then go back vyx

<Janet> I bet, vyx

<Vyx> Have fun in Belgium Janet

<Vyx> g'night all

<AliciaG> bye vyx

<Janet> you've got the middle of that O as a separate object from the outside of it

<cak> Night Vyx

<Janet> take care Vyx

<kat> I have two little squares on the letter O

<MaggieB> so you have positive AND negative space?

<Janet> you can tweak that O too, by clicking your shaper tool and playing with the nodes

<Janet> yes!!

<Janet> and the positive and negative space, once you break it apart, become separate objects and both positive space

<kat> so you can make an O with a beak

<MaggieB> and i can make the inside of the o do funny things!

<Janet> (conversely, if you lay like a cat head on top of a triangle, then say combine objects, you have a negative cat head space in that triangle)

<MaggieB> without touching the outside

<Janet> this can be seriously cool say when you want to "fill" a text with a bitmapped image

<MaggieB> YES!

<MaggieB> you can wrap the letter around the image?

MaggieB just took her hole out of her O!

<Janet> you make a mortise mask (sort of) with the text in a box, stack it on a bitmapped image (so the bitmap shows through)

<MaggieB> oh janet now in english?????

<Janet> like make a black box and put text inside it

<MaggieB> mortise mask?

<Janet> i don't care what color the text is

<kat> maggie, how did you take the hole out

<Janet> you uncombine the objects and then just select the hole and move it around

<MaggieB> clicked on it with the top arrow tool

<MaggieB> and then just moved it

<kat> that is too much

<kat> lol

<Janet> is this fun or what??

<Janet> and you can start to see your possibilities

<Janet> no font is safe!!

<MaggieB> janet i have no idea what you mean by make a mortise mask with the text in a box stack i on a image

<Janet> you can mess with the shape of anything!!

<Janet> okay. type something, anything

<Janet> then draw a rectangle on top of it

<MaggieB> type it where?

<MaggieB> on the page

<Janet> on the page

<MaggieB> and draw a rect around it

<MaggieB> ?

<Janet> yep

<AliciaG> no I"m going to have to reinstall corel draw so I can reread the log and try this stuff out

<Janet> fill the rectangle with some color

<Janet> Alicia, you need to, this is a kick

<AliciaG> now, even

<AliciaG> =)

<AliciaG> I hope it works with an older version

<Janet> now select both text and rectangles (this will, this is really basic, I was doing this in version 1.1)

<Janet> rectangle singular

<AliciaG> kewl

<Janet> sorry

<kat> right now I have a letter

<Janet> and choose (out of the arrange menu) "combine

<kat> A with a target and can't get rid of it

<Janet> and the text becomes negative space in the rectangle

<Janet> just select it and hit delete, kat

<kat> it is my cursor

<MaggieB> but my color covered my text

<Janet> oh!!!

<Janet> Maggie, trust me. select both and choose combine

<MaggieB> how can i select what i cannot see?

<Janet> use your arrow tool?

<MaggieB> i used select all

<Janet> and do a lasso around the rectangle

<MaggieB> in edit

<Janet> well, that works too :)

<MaggieB> lasso?

<kat> It's gone now, I must have pushed one too many buttons

<Janet> if you lasso more than one object, it selects all of them

<MaggieB> lasso?

<Janet> LOL Kat. well, it's gone

<MaggieB> with arrow?

<MaggieB> undo?

<MaggieB> so all are selected

<Janet> Maggie, with the arrow tool, do a drag across a bunch of objects and it will select them all

<MaggieB> now what?

<MaggieB> k

<cak> kat, the cursor with the letter was just telling you that you had the Text tool selected

<Janet> now pick "combine" out of the arrange menu

<MaggieB> went black and white

<MaggieB> with nodes

<MaggieB> is that right?

<Janet> and yes! now your text is negative space in your rectangle

<Janet> yes, it is right!

<MaggieB> so i can manipulate it?

<kat> I lost my left toolbar

<MaggieB> like?

<MaggieB> lost it?

<MaggieB> lol

<kat> yes lost it

<Janet> now you can import a bitmap, put that rectangle on top of the bitmap and see the bitmap through the letter holes

<Janet> yikes, kat, it's like gone?

<kat> yes

<MaggieB> oh yeah like i can take the words and pull them out of shape

<kat> the color bar is on the right but no toolbar on the left

<Janet> go up under the window menu and select toolbars and click to get it back

<MaggieB> but what happened to the color?

<cak> kat, if you have a Windows on your menu bar, look under that for Toolbars

<MaggieB> it was red and now just b/w

<Janet> the color left

<MaggieB> yes

<Janet> you can select it and make it red again

<cak> oops (sorry Janet--

<Janet> hi, Linda

<MaggieB> cool

<Janet> LOL yes, listen to CAK, Kat

<paperpushe> Hey Janet

<MaggieB> the words are spaces!

<MaggieB> ohhhhh

<MaggieB> we are running out of time!

<MaggieB> darn!

<cak> (I was just excited to actually know what you were talking about)

<MaggieB> and i have to teach

<Janet> we are. but for the next two weeks, play with this!!

<MaggieB> this is cool

<MaggieB> k

<Janet> play with combining objects

<MaggieB> can do that

<MaggieB> k

<Janet> play play play!

<MaggieB> can you do this with the special characters?

<Janet> And now it's time for fabric class?

<MaggieB> and a rect?

<Janet> you can!!

<MaggieB> cool

<MaggieB> hmmmmm

<MaggieB> oh my

<Janet> your application, Maggie?

<MaggieB> havent narrowed it down yet

<Janet> is after you stack this on top of a bitmap (or maybe another rectangle with a pattern fill)

<MaggieB> minds awhirling

<MaggieB> you will show us how to stack?

<MaggieB> or just stack

<Janet> export it as a gif, with the color of the rectangle being your transparent color

<Janet> just stack.

<MaggieB> yes?

<Janet> in the arrange menu you can specify to bring objects to front or back

<kat> even though i got lost along the way, I do get this. Can't wait to play

<Janet> Play!!

<Janet> and Corel class will be back in two weeks. :)

<MaggieB> then the bitmap will show through????

<Janet> it will!

<kat> yeah

<MaggieB> through the rectangle

<MaggieB> wow

<Janet> the white of the letters is really a cutout

<MaggieB> cool

<MaggieB> i see that

<Janet> it's negative space now

<MaggieB> neat

<MaggieB> ty janet

<kat> now i'm excited

<MaggieB> good class

<MaggieB> lots to play with

<Janet> pretty good for no plan in mind, huh?

<kat> beginning to understand

<MaggieB> will have to change some pages

<MaggieB> lol janet

<MaggieB> smartass

<kat> will have to make some pages

<kat> lol

<MaggieB> i had to research mine!

<MaggieB> no fair!!!

<Janet> now I need to get my list of fabric questions :)

<MaggieB> ok ok

<Janet> LOL

<MaggieB> on to my class i guess

<Janet> yes!!

<MaggieB> potty break first tho

<MaggieB> and wine

<MaggieB> got to get some wine

<MaggieB> k

<MaggieB> see you all in craftclass

<MomCat> Ty, Janet

<kat> you've got lots of questions for maggie, huh janet

<Janet> THIS is the class I'm excited about. I didn't learn anything in Corel, I'm gonna learn lots in fabric!

<cak> Thank you Janet!

<Janet> heh heh heh

<kat> thanks janet

<paperpushe> LOL off to class!

<kat> me to pp

<paperpushe> see you there

<Janet> see you all in #craftclass!

<cak> (I'm so glad I have to program at home now--things actually make some sense)

<cak> see you in a few secs

<Janet> woo hoo CAK

<Janet> i love this program

<Janet> and even illustrator is working better for me. is the same concepts just slightlydifferent procedures

<Janet> see y'all over in fabric

<Owen> Wish Icould get it to work. I am depressed.<G>

<Owen> NIght.

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