<kristi> can someone do the URL thing for me?
<kristi> http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving.html
<Libster> I can Kristi
<cak> Hi all
<kristi> TY LIB
<kat> Hi all
<Angel> hello,hello one and all!
<Libster> yw
<kat> brb
<MaggieB> ty kristi
<Libster> class url- http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving.html
<MaggieB> corel paint work ok?
<^raVen^> hi angel!
<kristi> YES - i JUST CAN'T TELL YOU THE SPECIFIC TOOLS TO USE
<Scout> I'm here with Buffy and 5 raviolis left, who shall I throw them to?
<^raVen^> yes indeed, Maggie
<Angel> me,me!
<MaggieB> ok
<Libster> I am full of lentil pilaf, thanks anyway
<MaggieB> i am new to paint anyhow
<Angel> yummm..
<Janet> Kristi, if you tell the function of the tool they should be able to figure it out.
<MaggieB> iwill pay attention and then play
Libster passes out Jen's caramels
^raVen^ just passes out
<Libster> LOL
paperpusher swoons for caramels
<Angel> jens caramels..oh my!
<kristi> YEAH - i DID JUST OPEN PHOTOPAINT TOO
<kristi> SO I CAN DO SOME POKING AROUND
<kristi> ARE MANY WORKING ALONG TONIGHT?
<brenda> not me
<Libster> I am just watching and learning
<brenda> just listening trying to learn
<cak> I'm going to try--
<paperpushe> mary ray!!!
<Libster> Hi Mary!!
<brenda> oh go cak
<Mary-ray> hey!
<^raVen^> hi Mary R
<Libster> class url- http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving.html
<brenda> hey mary ray
<Janet> That is an excellent tutorial there, Kristi
<kristi> OK
<Mary-ray> am I late?
<Libster> no
<Angel> iam here to be social, and listenlol
<Libster> LOL
<Mary-ray> I'm logging!
<kristi> IF YOU GO TO THE URL YOU'LL SEE I DID NOT START WITH A PARTICULARLY GOOD PHOTO
<Libster> class url- http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving.html
<kristi> I DID THIS BECAUSE I NEED TO CARVE IT FOR A GIFT AND IT WILL SHOW YOU THAT IT CAN BE DONE FROM A NOT SO GOOD PHOTO
<Janet> you picked a challenging one. like most of mine, lots of similar colors and all
<cak> what's the best type to start with--high contrast?
<kristi> HIGH CONTRAST - ALSO A DISTINCT LIGHT SOURCE FROM ONE SIDE IS A BIT EASIER THAN FROM STRAIGHT ON
<cak> gotcha--thanks
<kristi> I RECOMMEND WORKING WITH AN IMAGE AROUND 150 DPI SO IT PRINTS DECENTLY, BUT I HAVE WORKED WITH SOME THAT ARE ONLY 72 DPI
<kristi> IF MY COMPUTER SYSTEM CAN HANDLE IT, I LIKE TO WORK IN DOUBLE THE DPI AS I WANT TO PRINT
<kristi> THIS ONE WAS ACTUALLY ONLY 96 DPI AS THAT WAS THE FORMAT OF THE DIGITAL PHOTO
<Libster> class url- http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving.html
<brenda> hey kriz
<MaggieB> boy where have we heard that one before? {janet}?
<kristi> TO CUT DOWN ON SYSTEM RESOURCES, THE FIRST THING I DID WAS CROP AROUND THE SUBJECT
<Janet> LOL
<kristi> THERE IS A SPECIFIC TOOL IN PHOTOSHOP, IN PHOTOPAINT YOU MAKE A MASK AND THEN CROP TO THE MASK
<Janet> okay. i'm cropped.
<MaggieB> we already knew that janet!
<MaggieB> lol
<Angel> lol
<MaggieB> ohhhh cropped.....
<paperpushe> Janet cut her hair? Oh no!!!
<kristi> NOW, THE NEXT STEP YOU MAY OR MAY NOT NEED TO DO
<Janet> LOL
<Angel> ha!
<Libster> Hi Kris
<Libster> class url- http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving.html
<kristi> BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A BAD PHOTO (SHOOTING INTO LIGHT - IT'S A NO-NO, BUT THE PIC OP WAS THERE AND i HAD TO TAKE IT, LOL!)
<kristi> I ADJUSTED THE BRIGHTNESS AND CONTRAST UP FRONT (YOU'LL BE DOING THIS AGAIN AT THE END :-)
<kristi> YOU'LL NOTICE IT'S A BIT GRAINY - IT DOESN'T MATTER A WHOLE LOT BECAUSE YOU ARE CHANGING THINGS SO MUCH TO CARVE - IT SHOULDN'T DO THAT IF YOU STARTED WITH A GOOD PHOTO
<kristi> NOW, I DON'T WANT ALL THE BACKGROUND CLUTTER IN MY CARVING
<kristi> SO IN PHOTOSHOP I USE A TOOL FOR CREATING AN IRREGULAR MASK OR SELECTION CALLED THE LASSO TOOL
<kristi> IT ALLOWS YOU TO SORT OF TRACE HARD EDGES
<Janet> (we do that in photo paint with the masking)
<kristi> WHEN USING IT, IT'S BEST TO ERR TOWARDS THE OUTSIDE OF YOUR SUBJECT - YOU CAN ALWAYS TAKE AWAY MORE LATER (AND I DO IN THIS EXAMPLE)
<kristi> IF YOUR SUBJECT IS QUITE DIFFERENT IN COLOR FROM THE BACKGROUND YOU CAN ALSO USE THE MAGIC WAND TOOL THAT SELECTS SIMILAR COLORS
<Janet> i'm masked now (cleared out the background) but I still need more contrast.
<kristi> THEN GO BACK IN ADJUST IT MORE
<kristi> I'LL ALSO SHOW YOU A BIT LATER HOW TO FAKE MORE CONTRAST WHERE IT DOESN'T EXIST :-)
<kristi> EACH PICTURE IS DIFFERENT AND WILL REQUIRE DIFFERENT STEPS AND AMOUNTS OF ADJUSTMENT
<Libster> Hi blue
<Libster> class url- http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving.html
<paperpushe> Hey blue made it!
<kristi> I'M ONLY GOING TO PRESENT YOU WITH SOME THE TOOLS I FIND MOST HELPFUL IN PREPPING PHOTOS FOR CARVING
<Janet> I'm working with a cookie scan
<bluebell> Heelllooo
<Janet> so not a lot of contrast
<paperpushe> Cookie scan Janet?
<brenda> hey blu you made it
<kristi> ARE YOU PUTTING FOOD ON YOUR SCANNER AGAIN??? LOL!
<Libster> LOL
<Janet> yeah, I scanned a christmas cookie, it would make a way cool carving
<Janet> LOL yep
<bluebell> a bit late but I made it
<kristi> KEWL
<paperpushe> leave it to Janet!
<kristi> ONCE YOU CARBE YOU FIND SO MUCH INSPIRATION
Libster wonders if she should scan that pnut butter sandwich...
<kristi> I TOOK A PLACEMAT HOME FROM AN INDIAN RESTAURANT BECAUSE THE BORDER WOULD MAKE A COOL STAMP, LOL!
<Libster> LOL Kristi
UnkyJack tries scanning a slice of pizza and a donut
<bluebell> brb gone to get something to eat
<Libster> LOL Jack!!!
<kristi> I CLEANED UP SOME OF MY LINES ON THE PHOTO BY MAGNIFYING IT AND THEN USING THE MAGIC WAND TOOL TO REMOVE SOME THE EXTRANEOUS BACKGROUND
<paperpushe> Jack, now you've made blue hungry
<kristi> I DID LEAVE THE DARK AROUND THE BOTTOM ON THE HAIR ON THE LEFT BECAUSE IT'S SO HIGHLIGHTED THERE THAT IT GIVES ME A GOOD LINE OF WHERE THE HAIR EDGE IS THAT i WOULD HAVE IF I CLEANED IT PERFECTLY
paperpusher wants a magic wand
<Libster> That is a good idea, Kristi
<kristi> WHAT SOFTWARE ARE YOU USING PP?
<paperpushe> The Print Shop and a few others
<kristi> I KNOW PHOTOPAINT HAS ONE
<paperpushe> I'll check it out
<kristi> AND I'M SURE PSP DOES, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED
<Libster> I carved Larry using Adobe PhotoDeluxe
<paperpushe> I did do one of these this afternoon with some software that came with a cheapie digicam
<UnkyJack> It's a magic wand in PSP
<kristi> NOW, YOU CAN VARY THESE STEPS TO WHAT SUITS THE PHOTO
<UnkyJack> PSP has a lasso too
<kristi> I AM CONTINUING IN COLOR MODE, BUT CHANGING TO GRAY SCALE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AS WELL
<Janet> mine still looks pretty crumby
<kristi> I FELT THAT LEAVING THE COLOR IN PROVIDES CONSTRAST SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE IMAGE BETTER
<bluebell> thank God for peanut butter
<kristi> IF I WANT TO DO LOTS OF DETAIL, I USE THE POSTER EDGES FILTER
<brenda> hey queen
<kristi> IT SORT OF FINDS THE EDGES AND TRACES THEM WITH BLACK
<TheQueen> hello
<paperpushe> Hey Queen!
<TheQueen> long time no see pp
<Libster> class url- http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving.html
<paperpushe> lol queen
<kristi> YOU CAN ADJUST THE THICKNESS, INTENSITY AND POSTERIZATION
<Janet> oh. edge detection. let me try that
<Janet> and polarization
<bluebell> you people must have giant screens!
<MaggieB> hey, who's mug is this we are staring at kristi??
<bluebell> paaapeeerr
<paperpushe> what blue
<bluebell> whats happening ?
<kristi> DREW'S SISTER, JESSIE
<paperpushe> private message me, blue...click on my name in the list
<MaggieB> oh, ok! ty
<bluebell> we aren't carving are we
<kristi> NO - JUST PREPARING TO :-)
<kristi> EDGE DETECT DID STRANG THINGS JANET - DID IT WORK ON YOURS OK?
<Janet> I think I'm ready to give up, Kristi, and start drawing on my lines
<Janet> nope
<brenda> lol janet
<Janet> edge detection didn't work for me
Libster hugs Janet
<Janet> but I can draw lines right on top of my scan, easy deal
<Janet> easier than drawing it from scratch, that's for sure
<kristi> YEAH - THAT'S HOW I DID THE STAMP OF OUR HOUSE
<Janet> (and I just tiled christmas cookies on my desktop, too)
<kristi> USED THE PEN TOOL TO DO EVERYTHING
<Janet> yum
<kristi> I HAVEN'T FOUND A SIMILAR TOOL ON PHOTOPAINT YET - SORRY
<kristi> THEN, I GREYSCALED
<kristi> IT'S USUALLY UNDER SOMETHING LIKE "CHANGE MODE"
<Janet> probably the paint brush, using the ink pen setting
<Janet> or convert?
<Janet> i think it's convert.
Janet wonders if she can successfully have chat, photo shop and photo paint all open at the same time
<Janet> plus a couple pages in IE
<bluebell> yup
<kristi> NOW, JUST TO GET A FEEL OF THINGS, I LIKE TO GO IN AND FIDDLE WITH THE BRIGHTNESS AND CONTRAST AGAIN
TheQueen wonders if janet can walk and chew gum at the same time
<kristi> TURN THE CONTRAST ALL THE WAY UP
<kristi> YOU MAY LOOSE FEATURES - REMEMBER WHAT/WHERE THEY ARE
Libster thinks, oh no!! Kristi is fiddlin' again!!
<kristi> I ALWAYS FIDDLE LIB
<Libster> LOL
<kristi> EACH PHOTO IS DIFFERENT AND NEEDS DIFFERENT THINGS DONE TO IT
<kristi> IF YOU DON'T LIKE HOW IT LOOKS, USE UNDO
<kristi> IN PHOTOSHOP THERE ARE TWO TOOLS THAT WILL BECOME YOUR FRIEND IN PREPPING LOWER CONTRAST IMAGES FOR CARVING
<Libster> undo and delete two wonderful things!
<kristi> BURN AND DODGE TOOLS
<kristi> THE BURN TOOL ALLOWS YOU TO PICK A "BRUSH" AND WILL DARKEN THINGS OVER WHICH YOU PASS
<kristi> IF YOU GO OVER IT MULTIPLE TIMES IT DARKENS IT MORE
<kristi> THE DODGE TOOL DOES THE OPPOSITE - IT LIGHTENS
<kristi> USE THESE TO CREATE GREATER CONTRAST IN THE PHOTO WHERE NEEDED
<kristi> ON THIS PHOTO, I USED THE DODGE A LOT ON HER FOREHEAD AND UNDER HER EYES TO REMOVE LINES THAT WOULD MAKE HER LOOK MUCH OLDER THAN HER 21 YEARS
<Janet> this is the stage i'm at now. time to zero in on my wishy washy areas
<kristi> I USED THE BURN TOOL A BUNCH ON THE UPPER LEFT OF THE HAT TO FIND THAT DELINEATING LINE
<kristi> YOU JUST KEEP USING THESE TOOLS AND GOING BACK TO ADJUST THE CONTRAST UP TO +100 AND SEEING HOW IT LOOKS, USING UNDO AND DODGING AND BURNING MORE UNTIL IT SATISFIES YOU
<Scout> Going to my 50 year reunion next summer, could we use a little of this on me before I go?
<kristi> LOL
<kristi> I WASN'T OVERLY PICKY IN THIS ONE BECAUSE I AM NOW MOSTLY USING TISSUE PAPER TRANSFER AND THERE IS ENOUGH DETAIL FOR ME TO TRACE AND WHAT i DON'T WANT I WON'T TRACE
<bluebell> this has been fun - but have to go - bye everyone
<kristi> I LIKE DOING THIS BECAUSE IT ADDS A BIT MORE OF MY OWN FLAVOR TO THE DESIGN WITH THAT EXTRA STEP IN THERE
<kristi> BYE BLUE
<paperpushe> bye blue
<paperpushe> come back again
<kristi> THIS IS FOR A MORE DETAILED CARVING THOUGH
<kristi> I WASN'T REALLY HAPPY WITH THE OUTCOME (AT LEAST FOR THE PROJECT I HAVE IN MIND FOR THIS STAMP)
<kristi> SO I WENT THROUGH THE SIMILAR ACTIONS, BUT SWITCHED WHICH FILTER I USED
<brenda> i think it is neat
<kristi> THE TOP ONE ON THE LAST PAGE?
<kristi> FOR THE LAST ONE ON THE LAST PAGE I USED A FILTER CALLED "CUT-OUT" WHICH TOOK AND REMOVED MINOR DETAILS (LIKE THE FACIAL LINES)
<kristi> AGAIN, I DID A LOT OF WORK WITH THE DODGE AND BURN TOOL BEFORE DECIDING IT WAS GOOD
<kristi> THE BEST PIECE OF ADVICE I CAN GIVE YOU GUYS IS TO PLAY WITH THE VARIOUS EFFECTS AND TOOLS YOU HAVE
<^raVen^> Corel note! convert to greyscale first... adjust... use sponge tool on remove stting
<kristi> TRYING PREPPING A PHOTO SEVERAL DIFFERENT TIMES
<kristi> EACH TIME YOU'LL COME OUT WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT
<kristi> ALSO, DON'T BE AFRAID TO LET A DESIGN SIT FOR A DAY OR TWO BEFORE CARVING - OFTEN YOU'LL BE HAPPIER ONCE THERE IS A BIT OF DISTANCE
<Janet> let me put up my cookie. i need advice I think
<kristi> OK
<kristi> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WHILE WE WAIT FOR JANET TO SHARE HER COOKIES?
<paperpushe> I wanna chocolate chip, Janet
<Janet> LOL
<Janet> http://dm.net/~janet/cookie.html
<brenda> neat looking janet
<Libster> that would be good to carve, Janet
<cak> why aren't you happy with that Janet? It look great for carving (to my inexperienced eye)
<Janet> yeah, but carving it, i didn't save that many steps from just going from the original scan
<Janet> (It was for sure good to eat. yummy)
<Janet> any suggestions for me?
<Janet> (well and my printing copy is a bit sharper than what I put up, I lost a lot of the size for you all to be able to load it in this lifetime)
<^raVen^> hey... that cookie would make an awesome penscore stamp
<Janet> wouldn't it?
<Libster> what is a pinscore stamp?
<kristi> USE CUT-OUT
<Janet> cut out?
<kristi> I GOT IT HALF WAY DECENT WITH NO FIDDLING - IT WOULD BE CARVABLE WITH MORE TIME
<Janet> I think the crumbs are bothering me
<kristi> YEAH, THE TEXTURE OF THE COOKING SHOWING UP, RIGHT?
<Janet> yeah, some individual attention on the various areas
<Janet> yeah.
<Janet> i wanted it to be a non-cookie line drawing
<kristi> YOU COULD ALSO TRY AFTER GOING TO GRAYSCAL, USING THE MAGIC WAND TO REMOVE SOME OF THE INNER AREAS
<Janet> (although just going and snatching a painting of st nicholas and working from that would probably be easier)
<kristi> SOMETIMES IT IS :-)
<Janet> but then it wouldn't be my cookie<g>
<Janet> oh. magic wanding the mid bits. that would help quite a bit.
<Janet> then a couple more times through poster edges
<Janet> and through contrast mapping
<kristi> WELL, SOMETIMES, NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY YOU CAN'T GET SOME OF THEM TO TURN OUT USING THESE TOOLS
<kristi> THEN DOING A LINE DRAWING ON TOP WORKS GREAT
<Janet> well, then I start drawing on my bitmap with the paint brush. :)
<Janet> or else just transfering it and carving whatever i want
<kristi> THAT MIGHT BE THE BEST OPTION HERE SINCE THE "LINES" THEMSELVES HAVE SUCH A CONTRAST MAKING THEM UP
<Janet> tell us how to transfer it?
<kristi> YOU CAN DO AN ACETONE TRANSFER WITH A LASER PRINTOUT OR PHOTOCOPY OF THE IMAGE
<kristi> SOAK A COTTON BALL IN ACETONE, PUT THE IMAGE FACE DOWN ON THE CARVING MATERIAL AND BURNISH IT WITH THE SOAKED COTTON BALL
<kristi> YOU CAN PICK UP CORNERS TO SEE HOW IT TRANSFERED
<kristi> OR, YOU CAN TRACE THE DESIGN ONTO TRACING PAPER USING A SOFT LEAD PENCIL
<Libster> class url- http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving.html
<kristi> THEN PLACE THAT FACE DOWN ON THE CARVING MATERIAL AND BURNISH WITH ANYTHING FROM YOUR FINGER TO A BONE FOLDER OR A BOTTLE CAP (TY RAVEN)
<kristi> THEN, TRACE OVER IT ON THE CARVING MATERIAL WITH A BALL POINT PEN (THE PENCIL WILL SMUDGE ON YOU)
<Janet> dang. I gotta go. I'll keep on this later.
<Janet> Thank you for class, this was great and I'm inspired again.
<cak> night janet
<Libster> night Janet
<brenda> kristi great class
<paperpushe> lots of good ideas Kristi!
<Libster> Kristi, thanks for the class- you did a really good job, with this rowdy bunch! LOL
<Scout> Thanks, Kristi
<kat> can't wait to try this kristi
paperpusher needs to find her fingernail polish remover...finally it will come in handy
<kristi> GLAD YOU ALL LIKED IT
<kristi> LIKE MY PREVIOUS CLASS THERE WILL BE WORDS TO ACCOMPANY THOSE PICTURES AND SUCH LATER IN THE WEEK
<kristi> HOPEFULLY TOMORROW, BUT WITHOUT CABLE MODEM, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE
<kristi> I'LL POST WHEN IT'S UP
<kat> Kristi, that will be great. Thank you so much!!!!
<paperpushe> thanks again for the great class kristi...good night everyone
<kristi> G'NIGHT
<Libster> Kristi- you did a lot of work on the pages that are up- thanks for that
<kristi> NO PROB LIB
Libster hugs Kristi
<Libster> bye!!!
<kristi> I GOTTA RUN - FEEL FREE TO E-MAIL ME IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS
<kat> goodnite all
<cak> thanks kristi
<kat> thanks kristi
<kristi> YW
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