<kat> hi all

<kat> brb

<cak> hi--just doin' a little surfin'

<kat> went for a snack

<Vyx> we got class?

<kat> hi vyx

<cak> I think so

<kat> hi maggie

<Vyx> hiya all

<Vyx> well, I forgot, naturally

<Vyx> LOL, but here I am just in time anyhow.

<cak> At least we get really *big* teasing rights if Janet forgets this week

<kat> that's for sure

<kat> lol

<cak> well, janet just signed on anyway!

<cak> And there she is!

<kat> hi jaent

<kat> janet

<Janet> i remembered!

<kat> yeah!!!!

<Vyx> Yay! Hi Janet

<Janet> how is everybody?

<kat> good and you

<cak> Not bad

<Janet> pretty good

<kat> what's on the agenda for tonite janet

<Janet> well, first catch up, answer any questions from before, then talk about layers

<Vyx> I don't think I've learned anything new in a while actually.

<kat> hi brenda

<Janet> howdy Brenda

<brendab> hey janet

<brendab> lost a newbie

<Janet> well, have you been playing in corel any?

<kat> i am lost vyx so anything would be new to me

<brendab> and was looking for them

Vyx keeps forgetting to be here when Janet is.

raven has an urgent question

<Janet> lost a newbie for real? she just up and disappeared?

<kat> hi raven

<Janet> yes, raven?

<Vyx> Mostly just using it to edit photos and scan stuff.

<brendab> well we were trying to teach her to change rooms

Janet keeps forgetting it's tuesdays

<raven> Okay... I've been happy with Corel version 6 forever now

<brendab> and she left and i dont know where she is

<raven> BUT now I wanted to do some page layout that it won't do :-(

<brendab> lol

<kat> the black hole got her brenda

<brendab> yep

<Janet> yeah, the higher versions have more page layout function for sure

<brendab> sorry to have interrupted class

<Vyx> I can highly recommend version whatever it is that I have. And it was reasonable, only cost me about $20.

<raven> If I upgrade, can I wrap paragraph text around an image space?

<Vyx> I have 8

<Janet> uhhh I've never tried in corel.

<Janet> let me try and see

<raven> I am used to using pagemaker but don't have it on this machine

<Janet> yep, you can

<Janet> you set a wrapping property for the text box

<Janet> and a wrapping property for the object

<raven> version... 9?

<Janet> this is version 10 but I think v 9 did that too

<raven> and it's paragraph text not just artistic text?

<Janet> even though i never did it so i don't guarantee that

<raven> asks Raven who is getting more enthusiastic now

<Janet> yeah, you get a wrap paragraph text list box

<raven> Thank you oh goddess of the pages!!!!!!

<Janet> you can set the space and the style, alignment

<Janet> lol

<Janet> who here has v 9?

<Janet> vyx has 8, owen has 8

<Janet> (8 was a great version)

<Janet> y'all, check and see if you can get a text wrap properties box in that version?

<kat> i have 9

<Vyx> Okay

<Janet> would be under windows then dockers then properties

<cak> You can (in 8)

<Janet> raven, the later versions can import a lot more kinds of text, too.

<Janet> okay!

<Janet> v8 was a really stable version too

<Janet> (unlike the posessed v 7)

<Janet> (I swear, corel 7 was possessed)

<Janet> (and not by friendly spirits)

<raven> LOL! At least I know I can get 8 way cheapo

<kat> i only have file, view, tools and help at the top

<Janet> you'd have window, too, don't you, Kat?

<kat> no windo

<kat> no

<Janet> dang, do you have help?

<Janet> i mean a help menu?

<kat> yes

<Janet> but no window menu

<kat> no

<Janet> dang, i bet it's under "view"

<kat> i will look

<Janet> y'all know why wrapping text around an object would be cool?

<kat> i just found it

<Janet> (i mean, if we're gonna find how to do it, we might as well know why we might want to)

<Janet> under view?

<kat> no, I went in file and opened a new page

<cak> You might want to check your preferences too

<kat> and everything came up on the top

<Janet> you get stuff hiding from you

<kat> yes, my tool bar hides sometimes too

<cak> you have version 7??!

<kat> check preferences for what cak

<kat> no version 9

<cak> I think you should be able to customize what shows in your menus and toolbars

<kat> ty

raven is checking ebay as we speak for version 8 or 9

<Janet> she has version 9.

<cak> so not possessed?

<Vyx> also try half.com, Raven, that's where I found mine.

<Janet> well, kat's copy might be<g>

<cak> lol

<kat> could be, you never know

<raven> good idea... cept I like Ebay cuz most will take PayPal

<Vyx> oh, right.

<Vyx> That's what half.com needs to make it better... everyone accepting paypal. :)

<Janet> okay!

<Janet> so did you all play with combining and manipulating objects and all?

<Janet> did you take apart clipart?

<kat> do i have to answer

<Janet> LOL

<Vyx> lol, did about as much homework as me, eh?

<cak> only as in housework (and not much of that either)

<Janet> nope, you don't have to answer. I can tell by the guilty look on your screen.

<kat> quess so vyx

<cak> I've "customized" clipart before--lots of fun!

<Janet> yeah but at least y'all have shown up for class when i haven't

<Janet> my head has been missing lately

<kat> that is true janet

<raven> chopping up and mutilating clip art=WAY fun

<Vyx> I've captured clip art from ancient programs with screen capture, and then fixed em...

<Janet> owen? you finally got corel installed?

<Owen> Geeze, I just got it working last week.

<kat> hi owen

<Owen> Haven't even figured out what it does.

<Janet> vyx, taking apart corel clipart is different. way more fun

<Owen> Hi, Kat.

<Vyx> Has anyone even kept track of what we've been learning?

<Janet> and a lot easier when it's different objects you want to move around

<cak> Just as logs--and I haven't reviewed them

<Janet> uhhh I was to begin with. then my lesson plans sort of fell apart and I haven't kept track since then

<kat> vyx, I can't even keep track of what I'm not learning

<Janet> LOL

<Vyx> What I'd like is a font stealer, cuz there was a really lovely art deco font in one of my old dos programs.

<Janet> i'd like a font creator that was easy and fast

<Vyx> Yeah, that would do.

<Janet> they are tedious

<Owen> What sort of font was it vyx? True Type?

<Vyx> Owen, no way, not in oooold DOS.

<Owen> Oh, OOOOOOOLD dos, nope.

<Vyx> Just a built into the program font. But if I could print it I could scan it back in...

<Owen> But you might try extracting just the font and scanning it back

<Owen> lol

<Vyx> I think first I'd have to locate the program! LOL!

<Janet> Charlotte, what haven't we learned that we should? other than layers I know.

<cak> duh,

<cak> I don't really know. I have a tendency to be a Problem-based learner

<cak> (and sometimes I'm the problem)

<Janet> think of all we learn, though, creating the problems we do

<Owen> If you got a minute, I need to learn how to wrap text in a circle around a circular picture.

Vyx thinks she's getting plenty use outta Corel with scanning and photo editing.

<Janet> Okay. I bet others might like the fit text to path review

<cak> sounds good to me

<Vyx> yep, I would

raven wonders why it would cost $9 postage for Corel CDs...

<Vyx> cuz they are ripping you off with postage costs?

<Owen> So they can make more profit.

<Janet> (it's part of the profits)

<kat> that sounds like a rip off raven

<Owen> gmta

<Janet> LOL

<raven> yea... there's lots to choose from... I'll find another

<Janet> okay. Owen, first make your circle.

<Janet> then type your text

<Janet> let me know when y'all have got that done

<kat> got it

<Janet> owen? vyx? cak?

<Janet> (I know Raven is shopping)

<Owen> Working on it.

<Janet> okeys

<cak> gotcha

<Owen> OKay

<Owen> Not good but a start

<Vyx> Um, I have a circle, do I open a text box?

<raven> I had to do that a few days ago for faux postmarks... count it as 'homework" LOL!

<cak> (that's what I'm working on too Raven)

<Janet> when you use your selector tool (the top pointer tool) to select both the object and the text, then go under the text menu and pick "fit text to path"

<Janet> then you get a whole host of choices above your pasteboard

<Janet> (it's the fit text to path toolbar!)

<Vyx> oh hey, that was easy!

<Janet> yeah!

<Janet> play with the choices to see how those affect your final outcome

<Janet> how is everybody doing?

<Janet> oh and as long as you're playing, change your font to like a script or a different style text and see how that changes things

<Janet> some fonts just aren't real appropriate for mucking up the baseline

<Vyx> this is way cool, Janet!

<Janet> you can fit text to a spiral

<Janet> or a star

<Janet> or any object

<Vyx> wow, neato.

<Janet> owen, you with us?

<cak> Yay! I got the text to be one the inside of the circle and with the correct orientation (took a few button pushes though--hope I remember)

<Janet> (he must be having a blast over there)

<Janet> woo hoo!!

<raven> have you done "envelope" text yet? That's another fun, marginally useful thing to play at

<Vyx> ??

<Janet> tell 'em how to do it, Raven.

<cak> envelope text?

<raven> Way ta go Owen!

<raven> me? LOL! I have to open the program cuz I don't know it by heart...

<Janet> LOL that's why I asked you to. Let me look.

<cak> well, at least tell us what it is!

<Owen> Lost

<Vyx> in cyberspace, or in corel?

<Janet> oh. that's where you make a shape (an envelope) and put text inside it, then muck with the shape of it to much with the shape of the text

<Janet> like making a fish shape

<cak> Oh yeah! that'll be fun!

<Vyx> Ah. Fitting the text to the shape?

<Janet> owen, you've got corel draw open, right?

<raven> yea! Type a block of greek text into a text box

<raven> paragraph text

<raven> draw a shape nearby... try a circle for starters

<Owen> Yeah, and I am hunting endlessly through choices.

<cak> Ok, what's the difference from just typing text with the text tool and typing it into a text box

<cak> ??

<kat> I don't have greek text is there another name for it

<Janet> owen, did you write your text? and make your circle?

<Janet> kat, just type a bunch of letters

<raven> gobbdey gook

<Janet> asflkjweirovbk weoingfbiox

<Janet> just so you can see what it looks like

<Janet> or you can import a text file too

<raven> if you type it into a text box, it's automagically paragraph text instead of artistic text

<Owen> Lets start at the basics here, draw a circle.

<Janet> okay.

<raven> click on the icon that looks like a circle

<Janet> see the circle tool?

raven better let Janet tell stuff.. Raven is an impatient teacher... LOL!

<Owen> I see the ellipse tool

<Janet> that's it

<Janet> click on that

<Owen> okay, I can fake a circle with that.

<Janet> then click and drag on your paper to make an ellipse

<Owen> did that

<Janet> if you want to constrain it to be a circle, hold down the control key? or the shift key?

<Janet> I forget which

<Janet> okay!

<Owen> off center but a circle sort of.

<Janet> now click on the text tool and type some text

<Owen> Okay.

<Owen> done.

<Janet> now click on the top pointer tool

<Janet> that looks like an arrow

<Janet> and select them both

<Janet> evo!

<evo> :}>

<Owen> right, got it. How do I select both at the same time?

<Janet> got them both selected?

<Owen> Hi evo.

<kat> you have to hold down the shift key owen

<Vyx> shift and select

<Janet> you can do it like you select more than one icon in windows, by dragging a lasso around both

<Owen> Oh, not control.

<Janet> or you can click one, then hold the shift key and click the other

<Owen> That makes the difference, then.

<Janet> (evo, need another worker or demonstrator this weekend?)

<Janet> owen, when you have them both selected, go up under the text menu and pick "fit text to path"

Vyx waves at Evo

<evo> absoLUTELY, Janet!

<Janet> really??

<Janet> yay! I was hoping you would.

evo waves at Vyx :}>

<evo> Yep... come on over, for real.

<kat> hi evo

<Janet> okay. leave my name at the front and I'll be there when? hour before opening?

<evo> Heyyyyy, Kat!

<Owen> I don't get that as an option (its greyed out)

<evo> 9 am Saturday

<Janet> you need both objects selected first, Owen

<Janet> i'll be there, Evo

<Vyx> It should say down at the bottom> 2 objects selected

<Owen> They are.

<kat> hi queen

<TheQueen> Sunny!

<TheQueen> hi kat

<Vyx> hiya Q

<Owen> It says that.

<Janet> and no other objects can be selected, just those two.

<Owen> Hi Queen, I am being the dunce tonite.

<evo> Heyyyy, Queen

<cak> does it matter if it's artistic or paragraph text?

<kat> It did that to me before too

<Janet> for the envelope? it needs to be paragraph text

<TheQueen> if i wasn't being nice this year, i would ask Owen how that is different from any other night, but i'm nice so i won't

<TheQueen> heeeeeeyyyy evo

<Owen> So be nicer.

<Owen> <G>

<kat> I just tried it with paragraph and it didn't work

<Janet> fit text to path has to be artistic text

<cak> the fit to curve kat?

<raven> paragraph works... artistic works different

<raven> try both

<raven> did you hit "apply" kat?

<TheQueen> nicer?

<kat> where is apply

<TheQueen> you're still alive aren't ya owen? THAT is nice

<Owen> Okay, give me ALL the rules, and it works.<G>

<Owen> Is it?

<raven> if you do paragraph in a circle, the edges just fit in the circle. If you put artistic in the circle the text "spheres"

<Owen> Try living my life for a while, and see if you think its nice.

<Janet> Owen, did it work for you yet?

<Owen> Yep, and the text looks like I want, and fits the curve.

<raven> apply is one of the buttons in the envelope pop-up.... at the bottom

<TheQueen> kmart? right there.....uh uh

<Janet> woo hoo!!

<Owen> Now can I do that by showing a circular picture, and putting text around the cuve like that??

<kat> raven, where do i get the envelope pop-up

<Janet> owen, it's easier to draw a "control circle" and using that, then deleting the circle you drew just for the text

<Owen> See, I have a circular knotwork graphic, and I want to put the store name around the graphic.

<raven> when you click on "effects" at the top.. then click on "envelope" the pop-up should appear

<Janet> or there's an interactive tool, mine looks like a series of boxes

<Janet> when you click and hold down on that, you get a choice of tools and the interactive envelope tool looks like a box with a node on each of the four sides

<raven> I don't think I have that in this version

<raven> (which is 7 by the way and not 6 like I said before)

<Janet> i don't think you do in 6, but kat has it I think

<Vyx> Cak, are you logging the stipple class?

<Janet> raven 7 is possessed<g>

<raven> LOL!

<kat> when I click and hold down on what

<raven> it's been okay in this machine but was a nightmare on my old machine

raven passes brownies around to aid in concentration

<kat> ty raven, i think i must need them

<Vyx> oooh

<cak> the one next? yep--should be (if I don't get trapped in Corel documentation)

<Vyx> I'm gonna have to go, just too tired to stay up tonight.

<Janet> except it's really whatever Keribou is teaching

<kat> nite vyx

<Janet> but I'm gonna teach stipple soon.

<Vyx> Ah, the web page says you are teaching stipple.

<Vyx> I wanted to stay for that, but am fading toooo fast.

<Vyx> G'night y'all, see ya tomorrow.

<Janet> oh yikes. we never got to layers. not next week, I'll be in oh Italy next Tuesday night. and Austria the Tuesday after, but the Tuesday after that, LAYERS

<cak> well, you know my email, e me

<kat> nite again vyx

<cak> gotcha--I'll try to do some homework

<Janet> let's go see what Keribou is gonna teach us

<Janet> me too.

<kat> sounds good

<evo> Janet? Is

<cak> I'll work on the envelope text too--sounds like fun

<Janet> Keribou is doing something with templates

<evo> OK to bring stippling into the class :}>

<Janet> envelope text is a blast

<kat> what class

<Janet> okay!

<kat> where is class I should say

<Janet> I don't know, let's go see what it is. in #craftclass

<Janet> more templates with Keribou! yes!!

<Janet> see y'all over ther!

<cak> it's in #craftclass kat

<cak> you going to join us?

<cak> see you there

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