<cak> Whew! just in time
<MaggieB> janet going potty
<MaggieB> and getting drink
<MaggieB> you are on time
<cak> an essential part of teacher prep
<MaggieB> i saw you were online
<MaggieB> yep
<MaggieB> thats right
<MaggieB> janet mentioned last night
<MaggieB> this might be last corel class
<MaggieB> and she might take break until april
<MaggieB> come back with basic html or something
<cak> sounds good--a lot of people would enjoy that
<MaggieB> there could be much more to teach
<MaggieB> i would like to learn about other s
<MaggieB> hi lib
<LiBsTeR> hi
<MaggieB> i guess i will have to teach myself
<cak> she could also do a Q&A type of thing too
<MaggieB> if janet is done
<LiBsTeR> (sneaking in and quietly setting in the corner)
<MaggieB> you can talk lib
<cak> you have the basics and Janet will be available for questions I'm sure
<MaggieB> janet not really here yet
<LiBsTeR> oh
<cak> (hi lib)
<MaggieB> oh i know i could ask
<MaggieB> but hate to impose
<LiBsTeR> I wanted to see what this is about
<LiBsTeR> thanks Cak
<MaggieB> these classes were great
<MaggieB> probably last one in corel lib
<LiBsTeR> really?
<MaggieB> i think janet wants to take a break
<LiBsTeR> I don't blame her a bit
<MaggieB> she mentioned it last night to me
<Janet> back. i'm all pottied and refilled
<MaggieB> no me either
<MaggieB> there she is
<LiBsTeR> Hi Janet
<cak> the cycle begins again
<MaggieB> we were just talking
<Janet> yeah, I think interest in this one has sort of run its course
<MaggieB> about how you need a break from teaching us!
<MaggieB> lol
<MaggieB> yo think?
<MaggieB> i will teach myself the rest i guess
<MaggieB> its ok
<MaggieB> done it before
<MaggieB> i have the manual for corel 9
<MaggieB> so i can do that
<Janet> LOL maybe. Although when there's people and they get excited with learning it's easy to stay enthused week to week. I think though I am just over tapped out now.
<MaggieB> i have enjoyed them tho
<MaggieB> ty janet
<MaggieB> thats ok
<MaggieB> we understand
<MaggieB> these have stretched out over long period of time
<cak> Janet, if you need a break from formal lesson plans, you could just run #design as a discussion group for a while too
<MaggieB> around conventions and trips etc
<Janet> maybe take a Corel break, yeah, just do question and answer and discussion for a while.
<MaggieB> thats cool, whatever works for you
<MaggieB> hard to be tied up every week
<MaggieB> no fun
<MaggieB> lol
<Janet> well and Maggie, then you can come and ask and get mini-lessons on whatever Corel topic you're on at the time, too
<MaggieB> thats cool ty
<Janet> so it wouldn't be self-teaching, but more self-curriculum planning
<MaggieB> i usually teach myself how to do something when i find i need it
<MaggieB> to do something
<MaggieB> hi angel
<LiBsTeR> like homeschooling, with an online tutur! LOL
<angel> hello...
<Janet> that's how I always am. I don't sit for lessons all that well
<LiBsTeR> Hi Angel
<Janet> hey Angel
<angel> me either, i guess!
<MaggieB> like how to make the transparent gifs
<MaggieB> i just figured it out
<Janet> Well, I promised layering in Corel for tonight.
<cak> it's nice at first so you have some idea of what the potential is, but kind of hard to satisfy everyone's interest after that
<MaggieB> but glad you told me about the magic wand
<MaggieB> layering!!!
<MaggieB> yay
<MaggieB> woohoo
<Janet> yeah, and I did learn when teaching the computer graphics class before the corel one, different softwares sort of sucked up most of the class time on that one
<MaggieB> lol
<MaggieB> i can imagine
<cak> that's for sure--we need a series of definitions
<MaggieB> i was glad i broke down and bought corel for this class
<MaggieB> and the upgrade
<MaggieB> so what is layering?
<MaggieB> exactly?
<Janet> you thought it was hard in Corel, finding the different menu items for each thing, just imagine before when it was find not just where each thing was, but what each software called each thing
<MaggieB> wow
<MaggieB> no thanks
<MaggieB> hey owen!
<LiBsTeR> Hey Owen
<Owen> Hi.
<MaggieB> now we need vyx and kat
<Janet> Just like it sounds. Layers of objects. And you can work with all the layers at once, or work with each individually
<Janet> Owen!
<Janet> Layering
<MaggieB> ok
<MaggieB> one image on top of anohter
<cak> so why would you layer a piece?
<MaggieB> right?
<Janet> Now you have, by default, three layers in every corel document.
<Janet> right, maggie. that's the concept
<MaggieB> k
<Janet> but it's so much more
<MaggieB> the floor is yours
<MaggieB> caps please?
<Janet> your basic corel document has the desktop layer (this is what you'd think of as THE document)...
<MaggieB> pretty please?
<Janet> and OTAY
<Janet> THE GUIDELINES LAYER
<Janet> AND THE GRID LAYER
<MaggieB> so the paper? is the document?
<MaggieB> the background it is on?
<Janet> NORMALLY YOU SET THE GUIDELINES AND GRID LAYER NOT TO PRINT, AND YOU CAN SET THEM NOT TO BE VISIBLE TOO
<Janet> THE PAPER IS THE DOCUMENT AND THE WHOLE PASTE UP AREA SHOWN IN NORMAL VIEW IS THE DESKTOP LAYER
<Janet> BECAUSE YOU CAN PUT OBJECTS ON THAT LAYER BUT OFF THE PAPER AND THEY'RE VISIBLE BUT THEY DON'T PRINT
<Janet> OR NOT BECAUSE, THAT'S NOT A CAUSE THING, IT'S JUST HOW IT IS. THINGS HAVE TO BE ON THE PAPER TO PRINT WHEN YOU GO TO PRINT
<MaggieB> k
<Janet> BEFORE WE GET TO HOW TO DO THINGS, LET'S EXPLORE A BIT WHY YOU'D EVEN WANT LAYERS
<MaggieB> good idea
<Janet> IF YOU THINK OF THE GUIDELINES AND GRID AS LAYERS, PART OF THAT CONCEPT IS CLEAR...
<Janet> THEY ARE MOST HELPFUL, BUT YOU DON'T REALLY WANT THEM PRINTING
<MaggieB> i am unclear on guidelines and grids
<MaggieB> what yo mean
<MaggieB> we havent used those
<Janet> MAGGIE, WHEN YOU TURN THE GRID ON AND THE LIL DOTS SHOW UP?
<Janet> THAT'S MAKING THE GRID LAYER VISIBLE
<MaggieB> ???
<MaggieB> never used tha
<MaggieB> that
<MaggieB> not in this class....??
<Janet> WELL, THEN I'VE BEEN REMISS
<Janet> THESE ARE HELPFUL LIL THINGS
<MaggieB> i always worked on a blank paper
<MaggieB> was that wrong?
<Janet> Click Window Tools Object manager. Click the Layer manager view button.
<Janet> CLICK THE WINDOW / TOOLS / OBJECT MANAGER AND THEN CLICK THE LAYER MANAGER VIEW BUTTON
<Janet> OOPS
<Janet> NO, NOT WRONG, BUT HERE'S MORE TOOLS FOR YOU
<Janet> YOU'LL GET A DOCKER SORT OF WINDOW WHEN YOU OPEN THE LAYER MANAGER VIEW
<Janet> AND BESIDE EACH LAYER YOU HAVE AN EYEBALL, PRINTER, PENCIL
<MaggieB> windows/toolbar/ no object mgr
<Janet> THE EYEBALL SHOWS IF THE LAYER IS VISIBLE OR NOT
<Janet> OKAY, THINKING BACK TO V 9
<Janet> LOOK IN DOCKERS?
<MaggieB> tools is separate at top
<MaggieB> not under window
<MaggieB> found it
<Janet> OKAY GOOD DEAL
<MaggieB> tools/object mgr
<Janet> (WHEN SOMEONE ELSE ASKS WHERE IT IS, YOU WILL TELL WHERE IN V 9)
<MaggieB> k
<Janet> SEE THE LAYER MANAGER VIEW BUTTON?
<Janet> YOU WANT THAT CLICKED ON, SO YOU HAVE THE LAYER MANAGER TO THE SIDE OF YOUR DOCUMENT
<MaggieB> it is
<MaggieB> all squished lol
<Janet> OKAY!
<MaggieB> and master page
<Janet> SEE THE GRID ENTRY?
<MaggieB> with grid layer 1 desktop guides
<MaggieB> yes
<Janet> CLICK THE EYEBALL TO MAKE THAT OPEN
<MaggieB> ok
<MaggieB> now covered with grid
<Janet> SEE THE GRID?
<MaggieB> gray grid
<MaggieB> yes
<Janet> IT CAN BE REALLY HELPFUL IF YOU WANT TO LINE STUFF UP
<MaggieB> oooohhhh
<MaggieB> k
<Janet> OR IT CAN BE DISTRACTING
<MaggieB> i guess
<Janet> SO YOU GET TO CONTROL IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT OR NOT
<MaggieB> but like graph paper
<Janet> YEP
<MaggieB> i see
<MaggieB> ty
<Janet> YOU CAN ALSO SET HOW WIDE APART THE GRIDS ARE IN YOUR PREFERENCES
<MaggieB> by?
<Janet> AND YOU CAN SET IF YOU WANT YOUR OBJECTS TO SNAP TO THE GRID TOO
<Janet> THERE'S A SETTING IN PREFERENCES TO SET THE DEFAULT GRID
<MaggieB> you mean auto make them line up?
<MaggieB> k
<Janet> I THINK I USUALLY DO MINE LIKE 4 TO AN INCH
<MaggieB> k
<Janet> DEPENDING ON IF I'M WORKING IN INCHES OR PIXELS
<Janet> WHICH DEPENDS ON IF I'M DESIGNING FOR PAPER OR SCREEN
<MaggieB> just a guide then
<Janet> YEAH
<MaggieB> and if the printer is dark it will print the grid?
<Janet> AND YOUR GUIDELINES, YOU CAN DRAG A GUIDELINE OUT FROM THE SIDE OF THE WORKSPACE
<Janet> YEP
<MaggieB> and if grayed out it wont?
<Janet> YOU CAN SPECIFY IF YOU WANT IT TO PRINT OR NOT
<MaggieB> k
<Janet> SO THINK BEYOND THIS EXAMPLE... YOU CAN HAVE DIFFERENT OBJECTS ON DIFFERENT LAYERS AND CONTROL IF YOU WANT THEM TO BE PRINTED OR NOT
<MaggieB> so you said grid and guidelines
<MaggieB> k
<Janet> YES, TO GET GUIDELINES, AGAIN TO HELP LINE STUFF UP
<MaggieB> what are guides?
<Janet> JUST DRAG THEM OUT FROM THE SIDE
<cak> Do you just say "new layer" to add layers? (well, I know it's not *that* simple)
<Janet> MINE ARE BLUE, I THINK YOU CAN SET WHAT COLOR THEY ARE TOO
<Janet> WELL, YEAH, IT'S THAT SIMPLE
<MaggieB> ok, to back up.... why layer?
<MaggieB> when would it be advantageous?
<Janet> AND YOU CAN "LOCK" A LAYER TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T DRAG THE OBJECTS ON THAT ONE, LIKE WHEN YOU GET A CERTAIN SET OF THINGS JUST PERFECT, LOCK THAT LAYER AND THEN MAKE A NEW LAYER TO CONTINUE ON
<MaggieB> how do you lock?
<cak> it would be useful to try different things
<MaggieB> you were going to tell us why layer?
<Janet> ADVANTAGES ARE YOU GET TO CONTROL...
<MaggieB> in the first place?
<Janet> SORRY, THE PHONE RANG
<MaggieB> k
<Janet> YOU GET TO CONTROL IF OBJECTS PRINT OR NOT, IF THEY'RE EVEN VISIBLE OR NOT
<Janet> AND CONTROL IF YOU CAN MOVE THEM OR NOT
<MaggieB> k
<Janet> SAY YOU'RE DOING A WHOLE BROCHURE (OR WHOLE WEBSITE)...
<Janet> AND YOU WANT CERTAIN GRAPHICS AND TEXT ON EVERY PAGE
<Janet> YOU PUT THOSE ON THE MASTER LAYER
<Janet> AND THEY'LL SHOW UP ON EVERY PAGE
<Janet> YOU CAN LOCK THE MASTER LAYER SO YOU CAN'T MESS THOSE UP TOO
<Janet> JUST A SEC, GOTTA GET RID OF THE DH ON THE PHONE
<MaggieB> lol
<MaggieB> poor pharmacist
<MaggieB> lol
<cak> If you can copy objects from layer to layer (which I think you can), it would be useful for animations or step-by-steps
<MaggieB> application cak?
<MaggieB> so we can follow the logic?
<Janet> YES YOU CAN COPY OBJECTS FROM LAYER TO LAYER
<cak> like when I was working on some illustrations for folding an emvelope...
<MaggieB> janet dont jump up and scare us like that!
<MaggieB> lol
<Janet> (USED TO BE I COULD SAY I'M TEACHING A CLASS NOW AND HE'D GO AWAY, THIS TIME HE SAID "BUT YOUR'E ALWAYS TEACHING A CLASS LATELY, I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE ROADS")
<MaggieB> lol
<MaggieB> yeah heard about your SNOW
<MaggieB> lol
<MaggieB> 3 inches!
<MaggieB> wwhhhoooooo
<Janet> IF IT WAS JUST THE ROADS, BUT THEN IT WAS DID I TALK TO THE KID AND WHAT'S FOR SUPPER AND I COULD TELL HE WAS GONNA ASK HOW THE CATS WERE NEXT
<MaggieB> lol
<MaggieB> he is lonely for you girl
<MaggieB> lol
<Janet> WHIMPER
<cak> I wanted some of the envelope to stay the same, but change parts. This would've been really helpful to (lol--tell him to look out the window) construct a series of start-middle-end illustrations
<Janet> YEAH, SO CAK, ABOUT THE ENVELOPES?
<cak> I did a lot of copying, but I think the layers would've been easier
<Janet> YEAH!
<cak> (and a lot more space efficient--it took about 4 pages for a simple fold)
<MaggieB> i am not following the logic
<Janet> OR SAY YOU WANTED EVERY ONE OF 'EM TO SAY "MASTERFOLDER CHARLOTTE DESIGNS" ON THEM? THAT WOULD GO ON THE MASTER LAYER
<Janet> MAGGIE, PICTURE BUILDING A COLLAGE...
<Janet> BUT WITH EACH ELEMENT ON A PIECE OF ACETATE...
<MaggieB> k
<Janet> AND SAY YOU GET THREE ELEMENTS JUST EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT, PERFECTLY, AND YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO MOVE?
<Janet> COPY THE THREE TO ONE LAYER AND LOCK THEM. THEN THE OTHER ELEMENTS ARE STILL ON LAYERS TO BE MANIPULATED
<Janet> OR SAY YOU WONDER WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITHOUT THIS OR THAT ELEMENT?
<Janet> TURN OFF THE PRINTING ON THOSE LAYERS
<cak> hmmmm--could you use layering for masking (I'm thinking Photoshop layers though)?
<Janet> LAYERS IS A WAY TO HAVE CONTROL (PRINTING, EDITING AND VISIBILITY) OVER SEPARATE LAYERS
<Janet> YOU COULD!
<cak> can you merge layers and how much control of the merge might you have?
<MaggieB> so what do you normally layer? pics? fonts?
<Janet> WHEN I'M WORKING ON A PROJECT FOR SOMEONE ELSE (USUALLY) AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT DESIGNS IN STAGES AND TELLING ME DO THIS AND DO THAT...
<Janet> I WILL ADD A NON-PRINTING (BUT VISIBLE) LAYER WHERE i'LL TYPE IN THEIR DIRECTIVES
<Janet> AS THEY'RE ON THE PHONE
<cak> cool!
<Janet> AND THAT INSTRUCTION SHEET I CAN MAKE VISIBLE OR NOT
<Janet> TO CHECK OFF DID I DO THINGS
<Janet> AND YEAH, I COULD ALSO SCRAWL THESE ON THE BACK OF AN ENVELOPE (MY OLD METHOD)
<Janet> BUT THIS WAY I DON'T LOSE THE INSTRUCTIONS AND CHANGES
<Janet> MAGGIE, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE WORKING ON. AND HOW YOU LIKE TO WORK
<Janet> I REALLY DO LIKE TO MOVE OBJECTS, AS THEY ARE PERFECT, TO A LOCKED LAYER SO I DON'T MESS THEM UP
<Janet> WHEN EVERYTHING IS ON ONE PERFECT LAYER, THEN I'M DONE
<MaggieB> so the real reason for layers is not so much to just put objects on top of one another but to be able to contol them?
<Janet> BINGO!
<Janet> YOU CAN PUT OBJECTS ON TOP OR BEHIND EACH OTHER WITHIN A LAYER
<Janet> THE DIFFERENT LAYERS ARE FOR THE CONTROL
<MaggieB> k
<Janet> TO USE YOUR PROJECT?
<Janet> YOU COULD DESIGN YOUR BOOK SHELL IN COREL...
<Janet> AND PUT THAT ON THE MASTER LAYER
<MaggieB> so like being able to keep all of a collage in place and add or subtract one tiny piece without messing up the whole?
<Janet> THEN AS YOU ADDED PAGES TO THE DOCUMENT, THOSE ELEMENTS WOULD AUTOMAGICALLY BE THERE
<Janet> YES!
<LiBsTeR> Gosh, this is way cool, and you explain it so well, Janet!
<cak> couldn't you also re-arrange layers to see if you'd rather have this or that on top?
<MaggieB> so if i want an opened book for the ab gallery
<MaggieB> and want to put the submitted pages on it
<Janet> BROWNIE POINT FOR THE LIBSTER
<LiBsTeR> LOL
<Janet> YES!!
<MaggieB> but wouldnt that be the same
<Janet> YOU'D HAVE THE "ALWAYS THERE" PARTS ON THE MASTER LAYER, AND EACH SUBMISSION ON A DIFFERENT LAYER
<MaggieB> as making the book the background of the page?
<MaggieB> and just put the pages on top?
<Janet> YES, I'D THINK SO. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF WORK
<MaggieB> how is it different?
<MaggieB> oh ok
<Janet> DID YOU EVER USE PAGEMAKER?
<MaggieB> when is one more advantageous than another?
<MaggieB> no
<cak> you wouldn't have to draw the book over and over?
<Janet> TOO BAD, PAGEMAKER IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. LOL
<MaggieB> figures
<MaggieB> lol
<Janet> YEP, AND YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO COPY THE BOOK OVER AND OVER
<Janet> OF COURSE THAT PROJECT DOESN'T TRANSLATE EXACTLY IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE THAT'S FOR A WEB PAGE.
<Janet> AND THE REAL WAY TO DO IT WOULD BE TO MAKE THE BOOK PART A TEMPLATE, AND JUST START WITH THE BOOK TEMPLATE FOR EACH NEW PAGE
<Janet> RAVEN!
<Janet> WHY DO =YOU= USE LAYERS IN COREL?
<Rave> greetings Corelites!
<Janet> (THIS IS A TEST)
<MaggieB> would be more advantageous when a multi pieced collage
<Janet> LOL
<cak> what about Pagemaker (I was about ready to boot that program today--and not a get-started booting)?
<MaggieB> to control the layers!
<Janet> WOO HOO!
<Janet> PAGEMAKER HAS MASTER PAGES FOR ELEMENTS ON ALL THE PAGES IN THE PUB
<Janet> LIKE FOOTNOTES OR WHATEVER
<cak> Oh yeah--use that all the time. Really helpful!
<Janet> SO IF YOU USED PAGEMAKER A LOT, I'D SAY COREL'S MASTER LAYER IS LIKE PAGEMAKER'S MASTER PAGES
<Janet> BUT IF YOU NEVER USE PAGEMAKER, THAT WOULD BE A WASTE OF TYPING.<G>
<MaggieB> i guess
<MaggieB> lol
<cak> it takes a lot of the worry out of making sure your pages are consistently organized
<Janet> I DON'T USE COREL'
<Janet> S LAYERING ALL THAT MUCH, IT'S NOT WHAT I USE COREL FOR
<MaggieB> k
<Janet> BUT IN A COMPLEX PROJECT, ESPECIALLY FOR A CLIENT, I DO USE IT
<Janet> JUST AS A WAY OF WORK
<MaggieB> k
<cak> it's a lot more important in a bitmap program like Photoshop
<MaggieB> can i ask if you would quickly tell me [for kat who missed class]
<Janet> IT'S THAT MOVING PERFECT ELEMENTS TO THE "LOCKED LAYER"
<Janet> YEAH?
<MaggieB> she asked if you would [since this is last class i better ask now]
<MaggieB> show how to make text conform to the shape of an object
<MaggieB> not the outside
<MaggieB> but the mass of the object
<Janet> OH! THAT'S THE ENVELOPE THING
<MaggieB> like fill a circle
<MaggieB> envelope thing?
<MaggieB> or a triangle
<MaggieB> etc
<Janet> RAVEN, BABY. TELL 'EM ABOUT ENVELOPING?
<Janet> (RAVEN TOLD IT MUCH BETTER THAN I DID)
<MaggieB> oh i see
<Rave> ahhh....
<Janet> YOU PUT YOUR TEXT INSIDE THE ENVELOPE, WHICH IS THE SHAPE YOU WANT THE TEXT TO FILL
<MaggieB> that is the reason rave dropped in huh?
<MaggieB> yes?
<Rave> creat your text... if I recall, it works better with paragraph text
<Rave> then nearby, make your shape.
<Rave> LOL! yea, Maggie!
<MaggieB> lol
<MaggieB> roped you in huh rave?
<MaggieB> lol
<MaggieB> ty
<Rave> now i don't have the program open... drats
<MaggieB> you came into class with the program closed?
<MaggieB> lol
<Janet> YOU'VE GOT AN INTERACTIVE ENVELOPE TOOL THAT MAKES IT EASY
<Rave> well I've been working in it for the last *6* hours so I was tired of looking at it! LOL!
<MaggieB> so text and shape in same vicinity on paper
<MaggieB> i do?
<Janet> IN COREL 10 IT'S THE TOOL UNDER THE TEXT TOOL
<Rave> select both... text and shape
<MaggieB> i type in envelope and nothing comes up in help
<Janet> LOOKS LIKE CASCADING PIECES OF PAPER, BUT THE FLYOUT WILL GET YOU TO THE ENVELOPE TOOL
<MaggieB> n version 9
<Rave> click on "Effects" click on envelope
<Rave> and there will be a pop-up
<MaggieB> no effects/envelope
<MaggieB> artistic media?
<Janet> MAGGIE, DO WHAT RAVEN IS SAYING
<Janet> AND YOU GET THE POPUP
<MaggieB> there is no envelope under effects
<MaggieB> i tried
<MaggieB> lol
<Janet> (OR IN 10 YOU GET THE DOCKER THING)
<Rave> phooey.... who stole your envelope? LOL!
<MaggieB> i would if i could!
<MaggieB> lol
<MaggieB> ok
<MaggieB> hold on
<MaggieB> finding it
<Janet> I GOT ENVELOPE UNDER EFFECTS WHEN I JUST DID IT
<Janet> SO SOMEONE STOLE MAGGIE'S ENVELOPE
<cak> call the FBI--isn't mail tampering a federal offense?!
<MaggieB> ok found it
<MaggieB> lol
<Janet> I THINK THEY'RE ALL IN SALT LAKE CITY
<Janet> YAY!
<MaggieB> it is on the left side
<MaggieB> 4th up
<Janet> CANCEL THE CALL TO THE FBI
<Rave> whew
<MaggieB> it gives me an arrow
<MaggieB> no popup
<Janet> CLICK ON YOUR TEXT WITH THE BIG ARROW
<Rave> click on the shape with that arrow
<MaggieB> whaaa, no text
<Janet> OKAY CLICK ON YOUR SHAPE THEN. CLICK ON WHATEVER YOU HAVE DRAWN
<MaggieB> you didnt tell me to draw a shape....lol
<Rave> did tooooooo
<MaggieB> ok
<MaggieB> it outlines the shape with red dotted line with nodes
<MaggieB> now what?
<Janet> (OH GEE, THE PHARMACIST JUST GOT HOME AND SAYS IT'S SNOWING HARDER AGAIN AND THERE'S SNOW ON THE STREETS)
<MaggieB> i have text and shape and arrow from envelope tool
<MaggieB> oh snowball fight!
<Rave> Texas SNOW????
<Janet> CLICK ON YOUR TEXT WITH THE BIG ENVELOPE
<MaggieB> go for it
<Janet> YEAH. IT'S FREAKY
<MaggieB> big envelope?
<Janet> DER CLICK ON YOUR TEXT WITH THE BIG ARROW
<Janet> (TYPING WHILE BEING SPOKEN TO)
<MaggieB> and then?
<MaggieB> text is now covered with nodes looking things
<Janet> OOOO AHHHHH THEN PLAY WITH THE SHAPE OF THE ENVELOPE THAT MAGICALLY APPEARS ON YOUR TEXT
<MaggieB> play?
<MaggieB> oh
<Janet> PLAY
<MaggieB> but not an oval like it was
<MaggieB> i am making the shape
<Rave> oh I'm getting some major glitches here...
<MaggieB> pulling the nodes
<Janet> JUST PLAY
<MaggieB> is that right?
<Rave> I think I screwed up my preferences
<Janet> BRB THE PHARMACIST NEEDS SOMETHING NOW NOW
<Rave> I have to get Corel 10 inste\alled
<MaggieB> oh no
<MaggieB> sorry rave
<MaggieB> i can distort the text however i want
<MaggieB> but not in the oval shape i expected
<MaggieB> since i drew an oval to start
<Rave> did you have an oval shape selected?
<MaggieB> did i do something wrong?
<MaggieB> yes
<MaggieB> and i clicked on it
<MaggieB> and then on the text
<Rave> maybe... I wish I could picture your screen...
<MaggieB> the text grew nodes
<MaggieB> i could manipulate
<MaggieB> lol
<Rave> you have the envelope roll-up displayed?
<MaggieB> ican imagine rave
<MaggieB> no
<MaggieB> roll up?
<Janet> HOWDY SPARKLE
<sparkle> hiya
<Rave> when you clicked on "envelope" another menu should have popped up...
<MaggieB> never did
<Janet> (GEE, THE "I NEED YOU NOW NOW NOW" WAS TO GO SEE THE SNOW)
<MaggieB> lol
<Rave> LOL!
<MaggieB> texans are strange with snow
<Janet> WELL THAT IS BECAUSE YOU HADN'T DRAWN BOTH TEXT AND SHAPE BEFORE WHEN YOU TRIED IT
<MaggieB> its really just cold water janet
<MaggieB> yes i did
<Rave> veeery cold water
<MaggieB> i have an oval and text
<MaggieB> i will look it up
<Rave> but even water is something to get excited about in Texas
<MaggieB> i dont want you to miss 10pm class
<Janet> THIS IS SO TRUE
<Janet> AND YEAH, IT'S TIME TO GO TO CLASS
<MaggieB> i will figure it out
<MaggieB> ty raven
<MaggieB> and janet
<Janet> NEXT WEEK WE'RE STARTING "BRING YOUR PROJECTS AND QUESTIONS TO DESIGN" HOURS
<cak> they're just chatting now
<Rave> we''' try again in chat sometime, Maggie
<MaggieB> k
<cak> Yay! I love those--I always have problems
<MaggieB> ty
<Janet> TELL KAT TO BRING HER QUESTION AND WE'LL DO ENVELOPING AGAIN
<Janet> SEE Y'ALL IN #craftclass
<Rave> see ya in class!
<Janet> yeah, and whatever corel topic you want to talk about, too. just bring it and we'll do it.
<MaggieB> k
<Janet> it's a break for me, though, because I don't have to plan things
<MaggieB> ty
<Janet> it will be fun!
<MaggieB> i understand
<MaggieB> we all do
<cak> can we bring up non-corel stuff (I hope)?
<Janet> you betcha
<cak> Yay!
<Janet> i always have html problems
<Janet> or stuff to show off
<Janet> or how the heck do i fix up these movies
<cak> sounds good to me
<cak> I wanna find out about those movies--teaching folding would be soooooo much easier that way
<Janet> i think it will make wire classes easier too
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