<Vyx> hiya all, soon as 101 is done we'll start

<Rusty> cool

libster has one eye on grammy awards, one eye on class

<Rusty> makes you look like a fish lol

<libster> lol

<vicki> turn that tv off!

<Rusty> or turn it around and just listen

<StmprKB> NO, U2 is on

<libster> I like U2

StmprKB is a multi tasker

<Rusty> that's why i get the albums....don't have to listen to all the rest lol

<Mary_ray> Hey everyone! How's it going?

<phyl> hi again mary

<Vyx> It prolly won't be televised, but I hope TFIA wins the Childrens category.

<paperpushe> Mary-ray!!!

<Mary_ray> hi!

<Vyx> Hiya all

<Vyx> (that came in since last i said hi)

<libster> howdy Vyx

<Rusty> hi vyx

<Vyx> I have a page up... lemme grab the url

<Rusty> i have a pot of tea and i'm ready to learn...

<Vyx> http://www.dm.net/~vyxxan/claypins.html

<Vyx> CHECK OUT THE PAGE WHILE WE ARE WAITING FOR ANY SLOWPOKES.

<phyl> hey i like the format of that page

<kat> me too phyl

<StmprKB> yes, I do too, very easy to read and follow

<paperpushe> vyx...those a gorgeous

<Mary_ray> what would we do without tables (in HTML)?

<libster> scroll a lot Mary, LOL

<Mary_ray> ;-)

<Vyx> THANK JANET FOR THE FORMAT... SHE TAUGHT A HTML CLASS THAT I LEARNED FROM. :)

<phyl> thank you janet whereever you are

<Mary_ray> has anyone used those shapey things to cut out clay?

<Natalie> no

<Vyx> I USE COOKIE CUTTERS OR A KNIFE, MARYRAY

<vicki> what shapy things?

<phyl> i bought some of the plunger things today

<StmprKB> I am going to have to get a pasta machine, I know it

<Mary_ray> they talked about them last night in another class - I'll get the url in a minute

<Vyx> I REALLY REALLY WANT (AND NEED) MORE CUTTERS

<Vyx> BUT SINCE I GOT HOOKED ON STAMPING... IT'S SUCKING UP ALL MY MONEY. :)

<Mary_ray> http://www.sculpey.com/Products/products_premo_shapelets.htm

<libster> lol

<phyl> i hear that

<Susie> Any recommendations on a pasta machine? I have been meaning ot get one for awhile, but have been looking for a good price.

<Natalie> thanks for the url

<phyl> dick blick

<Mary_ray> yw

<Vyx> SUSIE, GET A CHEAP ONE.

<StmprKB> someone mentioned one last night for 25

<StmprKB> what is dick blibks URL?

<sparkle> AAS has the shapelets I think.

<Vyx> POLYMERCLAY EXPRESS HAS SOME WITHOUT CUTTERS FOR $25

<phyl> http://www.dickblick.com

<StmprKB> TY Phyl

<Susie> I was hoping to find one at a yard sale, but it hasn't happened.

<Mary_ray> oh, really sparkle, that's good to know

<phyl> nope looked for months finally bought a new one

<sparkle> So, Vyx, what's our URL?

<Vyx> http://www.dm.net/~vyxxan/claypins.html

<Natalie> i won on ebay the atlas 180 and the motor

<Rusty> go to a restaurant supply place...sometimes they have them cheap'

<Vyx> DON'T I HAVE A BOUNCER TO KEEP PUTTING THE URL UP? :)

<Susie> I saw the shapelets here: http://store.yahoo.com/fimo/claystamtem.html

<Mary_ray> what are we talking about?

<sparkle> Vyx is teaching us about polymer clay pins

<kat> If you vyx I can

<Scout> Are we started yet? Just was finishing up in garden.

<Mary_ray> (at restaurant)

<Vyx> NOT STARTED YET, WAITING FOR STRAGGLERS

<dbstampin> I've purchased two at thrift stores . . .good ones

<sparkle> so, we're all going to settle in and pay rapt attention <G>

<phyl> how do you use the shapelets?

<Natalie> pasta machines

<Vyx> (plus I had to check on my dinner still cooking)

<Vyx> IF Y'ALL ARE READY?

<Rusty> yup

<phyl> yes

<kat> http://www.dm.net/~vyxxan/claypins.html

<dbstampin> yep

<Vyx> THANKS KAT

<Natalie> yes

<kat> yw

<RubberRabb> Hi vyx of the beautiful cards..

<kat> http://www.dm.net/~vyxxan/claypins.html

<Mary_ray> what were you talking about for $25 without cutters, vyx?

<Vyx> maryray... a pasta machine

<Susie> yup

<Susie> yes

<StmprKB> so is the 25 dick blibk a good one?

<phyl> yes

<Mary_ray> I didn't know they came WITH cutters

<StmprKB> I am lookin gat it now

<Vyx> I DUNNO, I LIKE PCE.

<Susie> I can handle $25. Didn't want to spend more than that.

<Vyx> YEAH FOR MAKING PASTA... LOL

<kat> http://www.dm.net/~vyxxan/claypins.html

<Vyx> YOU WILL PROBABLY NEVER NEED CUTTERS FOR CLAY

<Susie> cutters are for the original purpose, pasta right. I don't need them?

<Vyx> RIGHT

<spinz> cutters for making paper strips to weave baskets

<Vyx> USE YOUR PAPER SHREDDER FOR THAT, LOL

<phyl> or strips of clay for miliflore

<kat> does that work spinz

<Susie> OK, will look into it. I prefer to get from a polymer clay company, then I can get other things too. ;-}

<phyl> or wrapped canes

<spinz> yup, watercolor paper 140 lb

<Mary_ray> this other site has MORE than four sets of shapelets

<Mary_ray> http://store.yahoo.com/fimo/claystamtem.html

<cak> PCE = Poly Clay Exchange?

<Vyx> POLYMER CLAY EXPRESS

<cak> gotcha! thanks

<Mary_ray> are these made of plexyglass or something? or are they like a stencil?

<Vyx> i HAVE NO IDEA, CAN i TEACH MY CLASS?

<sparkle> yes, but they're not one of our fabulous mall vendors.

<Mary_ray> sorry

<spinz> puleeze!!!

<phyl> we are ready vyx

<cak> LOL

<StmprKB> go for it!

<sparkle> ok, everyone settle down...we'll let vyx teach

<Rusty> absolutely

<Vyx> Y'ALL KNOW HOW TO CONDITION YOUR CLAY?

<Natalie> yes

<phyl> yes

<Rusty> yes

<RubberRabb> roll over it with my car

<phyl> lol

<Vyx> KNEAD IT OR RUN IT THRU THE PASTA MACHINE 20 TIMES OR SO

<libster> set on it

<stamp202> how much do you use at one time?

<cak> Vyx, some of the older clays take more conditioning?

<Vyx> GET IT NICE AND SOFT AND MIXED UP GOOD. WARMER THE BETTER IF YOU HAVEN'T GOT A MACHINE.

<Vyx> I USE A WHOLE BLOCK AT A TIME.

<stamp202> thx

<Rusty> what number are you using on the pasta machine?

<Vyx> THICKEST SETTING TO CONDITION

<Rusty> sorry jumping aheas

<Rusty> ahead

<Vyx> WE ARE STICKING WITH THE THICKEST SETTING ANYHOW. :)

<Rusty> ty

<Vyx> IF YOU HAVEN'T GOT A MACHINE, PUT A PEA SIZED BIT OF WHITE WITH YOUR COLORED CLAY, AND MIX UNTIL THAT IS ALL THE WAY MIXED IN... THEN YOU KNOW YOU'VE CONDITIONED ENOUGH.

<RubberRabb> cool idea thanks vyx

<Natalie> ty for that trick

<RavenAFK> good hint

<Vyx> TO GET IT ROLLED OUT EVENLY WITH A ROLLING PIN, MAKE A COUPLE STACKS OF OH, STRIPS OF CARDSTOCK, ABOUT 1/8TH INCH THICK

<Susie> Oh good tip. I already have a rolling pin.

<Vyx> I USE 2 FULL SIZED CERAMIC TILES TO WORK ON AND BAKE ON.

<phyl> like the floor tiles?

<Vyx> 12X12 INCHES. ABOUT A BUCK EACH AT THE HARDWARE STORE.

<cak> glazed or unglazed Vyx?

<Vyx> GLAZED

<cak> (rats, I've got unglazed)

<kat> http://www.dm.net/~vyxxan/claypins.html

<Vyx> THAT'LL WORK... USE A SQUARE OF BAKING PARCHMENT ON EM.

<cak> excellent! I even have baking parchment

<libster> good tip, Vyx

<Vyx> BAKING PARCHMENT IS GOOD STUFF TO HAVE FOR CLAY WORK, YOU CAN ROLL =SUPER= THIN BETWEEN SHEETS OF IT.

<Vyx> WE AREN'T GOING TO WORRY ABOUT CURLING, WITH PINS THE SIZE I MADE THAT WASN'T A PROBLEM.

<Vyx> ONCE YOUR CLAY IS CONDITIONED AND ROLLED OUT, GET OUT A STAMP AND SOME PEARL EX

<kat> http://www.dm.net/~vyxxan/claypins.html

<cak> Vyx, do you use the baking parchment for rolling with a rolling pin only or with the pasta machine too?

<LegsAFK> th them

<Vyx> IT WORKS WITH A ROLLING PIN, TOO

<kat> http://www.dm.net/~vyxxan/claypins.html

<cak> but also with the pasta machine?

<Vyx> UNDER THE CLAY, AND ON TOP IF YOUR CLAY IS REALLY STICKY

<Vyx> YES ALSO WITH THE PASTA MACHINE. SOME CLAYS GET REALLY STICKY WARMED UP AND NEED SOMETHING JUST TO ROLL OUT

<cak> (I'm thinkin' that would keep the rollers a lot cleaner)

<Vyx> IT SURE KEEPS SOFTER CLAYS FROM ENDING UP ON THE INSIDE OF THE PASTA MACHINE, LOL

<phyl> eeew ick

<cak> thank you!

<kat> wb lulu

<Vyx> I HAD SOME TRIAL AND ERROR, FITTING A STAMP TO THE SIZE CUTTER I HAD. BEST TO CHECK A COUPLE BEFORE DOING A WHOLE SHEET OF CLAY!

<cak> apply dye ink on the cutter and stamp out a few on a test paper?

<Vyx> YOU WANT TO STAMP THE CLAY FIRST, THEN CUT. I DUMPED OUT SOME PEARL EX ON A SHEET OF PAPER, AND DIPPED MY STAMP INTO IT.

<Vyx> PAINTBRUSH HANDY, FOR SWIPING OFF BIG CLUMPS THAT STUCK TO IT

<Vyx> JUST TEST ON A CORNER OF YOUR CLAY... YOU CAN ALWAYS CUT OFF THAT BIT AND RE-ROLL IT.

<cak> gotcha

<Vyx> PEARL EX MIXES REAL NICE WITH CLAY SO ANY MISTAKES CAN JUST BE MUSHED UP AND REROLLED.

<Vyx> ONCE YOU'VE FIGURED OUT HOW MUCH ROOM TO LEAVE AROUND THE STAMPED AREA, STAMP THE WHOLE PIECE.

<Vyx> TAMP YOUR STAMP INTO THE PEARL EX, THEN STAMP FIRMLY INTO THE CLAY.

<sparkle> wait, so we're stamping first, then cutting?

<Vyx> YES!

<Vyx> IT'S A LOT EASIER TO SEE WHERE YOU ARE CUTTING THAN WHERE EXACTLY TO STAMP ON A LITTLE PIECE OF CLAY

<phyl> how big did you make these pins?

<Vyx> THEY ARE SMALL, ONLY ABOUT AN INCH ACROSS. I MADE 60 OF EM!

<phyl> wow thanks

<Vyx> TOOK ME A GOOD PART OF AN AFTERNOON

<phyl> i bet

libster is proud owner of one

<phyl> yeah lib

<Vyx> BUT THAT INCLUDES BAKING AND GLAZING AND DOING THE PINBACKS.

<Vyx> where are we? anyone actually doing this right now?

<Mary_ray> I wish!

<cak> Instead of a cookie cutter, could you use one of the fancy blades in a rotary cutter? or are these too small for that?

<Vyx> CAK, I GOT TIRED OF THE SAME STAMP AND DECIDED TO USE ANOTHER ONE THAT DIDN'T FIT A CUTTER.

<Vyx> SO I JUST CUT WITH A BLADE AND A RULER

<Vyx> THE ONE ON THE LOWER LEFT ON MY SAMPLE

<phyl> good thought

<Vyx> I THINK A FANCY BLADED ROTARY CUTTER WOULD BE A =LOT= QUICKER!

<Vyx> YOU COULD DO YOUR IMAGE IN ROWS, AND CUT, AND BE DONE FASTER.

<Vyx> BUT YOU DO NEED TO LEAVE SOME SPACE.

<Susie> Could also cut off part of the stamped image no? If it made sense.

<cak> I didn't know if the blade would act funny cutting the clay or not.

<Vyx> SINCE I WORK AND BAKE ON ONE SURFACE I NEEDED TO LEAVE SPACES BETWEEN THE PINS

<Vyx> YES, YOU COULD STAMP BIG IMAGES AND JUST CUT THEM UP HOWEVER

<cak> (or maybe cut a puzzle out of a large stamp/scene?)

<Vyx> THAT'D BE NEAT, TOO

<Vyx> WHEN I DID THESE I HAD HARDLY ANY STAMPS. :)

<phyl> and then the stamp fairy found you

<cak> (or beaned her)

<Vyx> THE SAMPLES WERE MADE WITH IMAGES OFF A PLATE FROM EVOLVING IMAGES.

<phyl> and left a zillion stamps under your pillow

<kat> don't we all wish

<phyl> i am dreaming again, don't wake me up

<LuniLadi> more like wishes...stamp wishes..that turn into lists...lol

<kat> lol phyl

<ScrapsnSta> LOL

<Vyx> IF YOU DON'T GET GOOD COVERAGE WITH STAMPING WITH THE PEARL EX? DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

<Vyx> I GOT TIRED OF THE MESS AND JUST STAMPED (REMEMBER, I DID 60) AND THEN TOOK MY FINGER AND SMEARED THE PEARL EX OVER THE CLAY

<phyl> under?

<Vyx> OVER THE IMAGES STAMPED

<phyl> ooop need new glasses sorry

<Mary_ray> I've had problems where dark clay that went through the pasta machine apparently left a residue of color and that color affected other clay run through the machine. Is there a way to prevent this?

<cak> if you did half and half you'd have a set (or earrings)

<Vyx> I TRIED A PAINT BRUSH, BUT THAT DIDN'T WORK VERY WELL. YOU WANT THE PEARL EX TO BOND WITH THE CLAY.

<phyl> clean with alcohol?

<Mary_ray> it's hard to get to the roller

<Froolap> Use some butter on the rollers and then the clay won't stick.

<phyl> i saw where you are supposed to take them apart

<Vyx> MARYRAY, FOLD SOME PAPERTOWELS UP, AND ROLL THEM THRU. USE A SOFT CLOTH AND WHILE ROLLING THE ROLLERS, WIPE BACK AND FORTH.

<Mary_ray> THANKS!

<rabbitsmom> I use wet naps , with alcohol to clean the residue

<Vyx> GET THE CLOTH ON THE UNDERSIDE OF THE ROLLERS, AND ROLL THEM THE WRONG WAY, AND WIPE. GO BACK AND FORTH WITH THOSE ROLLERS AND WIPE AT EM WITH A CLOTH.

<Vyx> EVEN AFTER I TOOK MY MACHINE APART AND CLEANED IT, I =STILL= HAD OTHER COLORS COMING OUT.

<Mary_ray> so do you do this every time you change clay color?

<libster> I know! we can get one machine for each color!!!!

<libster> rofl

<phyl> eww not good but the rag worked?

<kat> lol

<phyl> there ya go lib

<Mary_ray> oh God, Libster!

<Vyx> I WIPE IT EVERY TIME I CHANGE FROM A DARK TO A LIGHT COLOR.

<Vyx> LIB, SOME PEOPLE HAVE ONE MACHINE FOR DARK AND ONE FOR LIGHT.

<phyl> must be married to a millionaire

<Vyx> THE RAG HELPS. YOU REALLY WANT TO RUN THOSE ROLLERS BOTH WAYS WHILE WIPING.

<libster> see? I knew I was onto something!

<Vyx> AND EVENTUALLY YOU WILL HAVE TO TAKE IT APART ANYHOW.

<ScrapsnSta> marry a millionairee-got it

<phyl> and be a master mechanic to put it back together

<Vyx> NAH, IT'S EASY. :)

<Mary_ray> you can actu7ally run the rollers backwards (you can tell it's been a while since I used my pasta machine - it's still NEW sorta)

<kat> I've had one in a box for a year

<Vyx> YES, JUST TURN THE HANDLE THE "WRONG" WAY.

<LuniLadi> sheesh, I would have never tried that...<blush>

<Vyx> I HAVE A NEW ONE... IT TRIED TO GET DELIVERED AND THEN UPS SENT IT BACK MISTAKENLY.

<phyl> crazy ups drivers

<ScrapsnSta> EEK!

libster gets out her shot gun to go after UPS for Vyx

<Vyx> I SHOULD HAVE HAD IT TODAY FOR TONIGHTS CLASS... SHEESH.

<cindyc> shhesh

phyl joins libster from a roof top

<LuniLadi> How do you take it apart vyx? too much to explain for class?

<Vyx> BACK TO LESSON... :) (GOT MY GRIPE IN)

<phyl> lol

libster hugs her Vyx

<Vyx> LUNI, THERE IS A GOOD INSTRUCTIONAL ONLINE SOMEWHERE, BUT I HAVEN'T GOT THE URL HANDY.

<LuniLadi> could I mail ya for it?

<Vyx> SURE, AND I'LL FIND IT FOR YOU.

<LuniLadi> thanks...I could post to the list for anyone interested too

<libster> Vyx----

<phyl> thanks

<libster> I have the link for cleaning right here

<libster> want it?

<Froolap> ahps?

<phyl> yes

<Vyx> AFTER WE ARE ALL STAMPED AND CUT OUT, MAKE SURE NONE OF YOUR PIECES ARE TOUCHING. IF YOU HAVE TO, MOVE EM.

<StmprKB> yes

<LuniLadi> yes

<libster> http://www.polymerclaycentral.com/poleigh/talk.html

<LuniLadi> ty

<Vyx> THEN GO OVER EACH ONE, AND BURNISH (THAT MEANS RUB) WITH YOUR FINGER. THAT'LL FIX ANY CLUMPS OF MICA.

<phyl> ty

<Vyx> lIB, THANKS!

libster hugs Vyx

<libster> anything for you gal

<Vyx> READY TO BAKE, AND IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG FOR THESE BEING SO THIN. JUST DON'T GO OVER TEMP!

<Vyx> YOU COULD BAKE THEM FOR AN HOUR IF YOU KEEP THE TEMPERATURE UNDER THE MAX ALLOWED.

<Vyx> BUT THESE SHOULD ONLY TAKE 15 TO 20 MIN. TOPS.

<Vyx> A TOASTER OVEN ACTUALLY WORKS WELL FOR THESE, CUZ THEY COOK SO FAST.

<kat> http://www.dm.net/~vyxxan/claypins.html

<Vyx> STILL HAVE TO TEST THE TEMP OF THE TOASTER OVEN... EVEN AFTER USING MINE A BUNCH OF TIMES, I STILL TEST IT WITH THE OVEN THERMOMETER.

<Vyx> AFTER THEY BAKE AND ARE COOLED, YOU CAN PUT PINBACKS ON.

<ScrapsnSta> what's a good way to get the pin backs to stick?

<kat> http://www.dm.net/~vyxxan/claypins.html

<Vyx> IF YOU ARE ATTACHING THE BACKS WITH CLAY, WHICH I RECOMMEND. YOU CAN USE TINY BITS OF CLAY OR LIQUID SCULPEY.

<Susie> Do you rebake then? or put the pin backs on before baking?

<Vyx> I PREFER LIQUID SCULPEY.. IT'S LIKE USING GLUE, BUT A LOT STRONGER.

<Vyx> BAKE EM WITHOUT PINBACKS. PUT PINBACKS ON NEXT IF USING CLAY TO STICK THE PINBACKS ON.

<Vyx> LS IS CLAY. :)

<kat> http://www.dm.net/~vyxxan/claypins.html

<Vyx> IF YOU ARE GOING TO GLUE WITH E6000 THEN =DON'T= PUT THE PINBACKS ON YET.

<deb-AFK> hi janet

<kat> http://www.dm.net/~vyxxan/claypins.html

<StmprKB> why not vyx? on the E 6000

<Vyx> BECAUSE WE WANT TO GLAZE THEM FIRST, AND REBAKE FOR A FEW MIN TO SET THE GLAZE.

<kitty> E6000 what type of glue is this? Since I am in Australia I need to know the general composition

<RubberRabb> I thought Janet might be waiting at the mailbox

<Vyx> OTHERWISE YOU HAVE PEARL EX COMING OFF.

<Janet> it's a silicone glue

<Janet> I did check it, wabbit. No joy yet.

<Janet> LOL

<kat> http://www.dm.net/~vyxxan/claypins.html

<Vyx> KITTY, I HAVE ONLY USED DUCO CEMENT ON MY CLAY, SO I DON'T KNOW.

<Susie> So E6000 after glaze?

<Vyx> DUCO IS WHAT I HAVE. :)

RubberRabbit can't see her Lorymom anywhere

<StmprKB> yes, I imagine E6000 is flammable

<kat> yes it is

<Vyx> YES. AND TO GLAZE I RECOMMEND FUTURE FLOOR FINISH, WHICH ISN'T AVAILABLE IN AUSTRALIA.

<Mary_ray> I can never seem to find future floor wax anywhere

<kitty> Thanks Janet, this is the type of info I need

<phyl> all the stamper bought it up

<deb> Thanks Vyx

<deb> this is awesome

<Vyx> YOU GIVE THE PINS A SINGLE COAT OF FUTURE, AND LET IT DRY. BE SURE IT'S DRY! THEN PUT THEM BACK IN THE OVEN FOR 10 MIN. AT SAME TEMP AS CLAY.

<Susie> Not fimo varnish?

<RubberRabb> brb

<kitty> Good grief why use furniture polish to glaze

<Vyx> I HAVE TRIED FIMO VARNISH, DON'T LIKE IT.

<kitty> oops floor polish!

<Mary_ray> where do you manage to find the FUTURE, Vyx?

<Susie> I didn't like it when I used it, but I assumed it was my pieces rather than the varnish ;-}

<Vyx> IT'S AN ACRYLIC BASED LIQUID. NOT ALL WORK WELL.

<ScrapsnSta> hey it's cheap i like that LOL

<Vyx> MARYRAY... MY DH HAD SOME FROM WHEN HE FIRST GOT MARRIED UM, 15 YEARS AGO.

<deb> Vyx - we need to wrap it up

<deb> next event is ready to start

<kitty> I ilke cheap too, but floor polish is not a hard varnish?

<Vyx> IT'S YELLOW NOW, BUT DRIES CLEAR.

<Vyx> OK I WENT OVERTIME WAITING FOR STRAGGLERS. :(

<Scout> Mary Ray, I think my husband found it for me at Vons.

<Mary_ray> Vons? Never heard of that

<libster> thanks Vyx, GREAT job, great page, and lots of good info!!!

<deb> next event is in #aas

<Vyx> YOU CAN ALSO USE VARATHANE, THE WATERBASED KIND.

<vicki> Mary Ray, it's on the cleaning aisle at the grocery

<kat> Thanks vyx great class

<phyl> thanks vyx good job

<kitty> Thanks for the lesson, sorry i came in late, my isp wouldn't let me on

<dbstampin> thanks vyx!

<kat> I may even get my pasta maker out now

<Vyx> REMEMBER THE URL, THAT SHOULD HAVE ALL THE INFO YOU NEED. IF NOT, EMAIL ME. :)

<stamp202> Thanks vyx!

<phyl> what is your email?

<Mary_ray> thanks vyx!

<LuniLadi> Thank vyx!!! great tips!

<vicki> thanks vyx

<Vyx> I DO EMAIL EVERY DAY, 2 OR 3 TIMES. OR MORE. I LOVE EMAIL. :)

<deb> Thanks vyx

<Vyx> THANKS ALL FOR BEING HERE!

<deb> yo should teach more often

<spinz> thnx vyx

<deb> you do a great job

<StmprKB> TY Vyx!

<phyl> where is next class?

<cak> Thank you Vyx!

<phyl> thanks mom

<Kriztina> next class is in #aas

<MomCat> YW, Phyl

<Kriztina> the schedule lists them all

<Mary_ray> Howdy!

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