<kristi> http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving.html

<kristi> http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=540430&uid=451224

<janetispow> woo hoo! you did it!

<kristi> you made it!

<EB2> so this is how you do two rooms in webchat

<brenda> yippieeeeeeee

<gemr1> I did what! You guys! I don't know where I am! How will I get back? It seems like I've signed up for too many things . . .

<brenda> nope this is where next class is

<gemr1> I'm still looking for the violets in the floral block . . .

<kristi> <janetispowershopping> She's there! now just arrange your windows so you can see them all

<brenda> right here

<brenda> lol kristi

<janetispow> It's on the second star site somewhere

<janetispow> in with the plates

<janetispow> floral2 maybe

<janetispow> it's on the same plate as the sunflowers I painted

<gemr1> I see sunflowers, daisies & roses

<kristi> http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving.html

<AmyLPR> hi

<Sabine> hi evryone

<janetispow> hi Sabine

<kristi> hi sabine

<janetispow> Gail, let me go find the violets

<kat-afk> hi all

<brenda> hey kat

<brenda> hey rabbitsmom

<rabbitsmom> Hi

<kristi> hi kat, rabbitsmom

<janetispow> here it is Gail, http://www.secondstarontheright.com/images/floral14.gif

<rabbitsmom> what's the sample url ?

<kristi> http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving.html

<rabbitsmom> thanks

<kristi> for instructions

<kristi> http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving.html

<brenda> that is same

<kristi> LOL

<brenda> roflol

<kristi> http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving.html

<kristi> oh, dang

<kristi> http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=540430&uid=451224

<kristi> to see examples of some carvings done from photos

<kristi> does that picturetail link work for you guys, or is it using cookies??

<brenda> working for me

<kristi> ok

<kristi> ty

<Sabine> it«s ok

<vicki> ty

<kristi> shall I start???

<brenda> give them just a few to straggle in

<KRISTI> OK

KRISTI IS NOT HAVING A GOOD DAY TODAY

<brenda> oh no why not?

<Sabine> why not, Kristi

<brenda> i am hurting

KRISTI *NEEDS* MORE RUBBER TO PAD HER ROOM

<brenda> have an earache

<MomCat> lol

<brenda> lol

<KRISTI> IT'S A HIGH LEVEL PAIN DAY TODAY AND MY COMPUTER ISN'T BEHAVING

<brenda> oh no

<brenda> bad combination

<KRISTI> YEAH

<KRISTI> HEY JEN

<KRISTI> I JUST SENT YOU MY MOM'S ORDER A BIT AGO :-)

<KRISTI> JUST WISH I LIVED CLOSER TO HER, LOL

<kaye> hello kristi

<KRISTI> HI KAYE

<KRISTI> OK, LET ME PREFACE THIS BY SAYING THAT EACH PAINT PROGRAM HAS IT'S OWN TOOLS THAT DOES SIMILAR THINGS

<KRISTI> I'M JUST MOST FAMILIAR WITH PHOTOSHOP, SO THAT IS WHAT I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT

<KRISTI> BUT PAINT SHOP PRO AND COREL PHOTOPAINT ALL HAVE SIMILAR FUNCTOINS YOU CAN USE TO ACHIEVE THE SAME RESULTS

<jenmist> TY Kristi

<KRISTI> YW

<gemr> this 'craftclass' box cannot be moved out of the mIRC box . . .

<KRISTI> http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving.html

<KRISTI> THE TOP PICTURE - IT IS A *BAD* PICTURE

<KRISTI> http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving.html

<KRISTI> BUT, IFYOU WERE IN WARHOL CLASS YESTERDAY, YOU KNOW IT TURNED INTO A PRETTY DURN GOOD CARVING

<KRISTI> IF I DO SAY SO MYSELF

<KRISTI> :-}

<jenmist> lol

<jenmist> cute pic too

<janetispow> an awesome carving!

<brenda> gail look at the flashing box

<KRISTI> TY

<KRISTI> THE CONTRAST IS BAD, THE COLOR IS BAD - ALL BECAUSE I SHOT THE PHOTO INTO THE WINDOW

<KRISTI> BUT, WHAT DID MAKE IT GOOD FOR A CARVING WAS THAT THERE WAS LIGHT COMING FROM ONE DIRECTION

<KRISTI> OR, ONE MAIN LIGHT SOURCE

<KRISTI> EVERY PHOTO WILL REQUIRE DIFFERENT ADJUSTMENTS, SOME YOU WILL SKIP COMPLETE STEPS, OR NOT HARDLY TWEAK AT ALL

<KRISTI> I CAN'T TELL YOU STEP-BY-STEP HOW TO PREP A PHOTO, BUT I CAN SHOW SOME OF THE TOOLS THAT MAY BE OF HELP

<KRISTI> http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving.html

<KRISTI> MY FIRST STEP THAT I ALWAYS TAKE, NO MATTER THE PICTURE, IS TO CROP AROUND THE SUBJECT I'M GOING TO CARVE

<KRISTI> ALL PAINT PROGRAMS HAVE A WAY TI CROP

<KRISTI> IF YOU DON'T KONW HOW TO DO THIS, CHECK THE "HELP" FOR YOUR PROGRAM

<KRISTI> ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR??

<Sabine> found the crop function :-)

<KRISTI> OK

<KRISTI> NOW, BECAUSE THIS PIC IS SO DARK, i ADJUSTED THE BRIGHTNESS FIRST

<KRISTI> AND THEN THE CONTRAST

<KRISTI> EACH PHOTO WILL HAVE IT'S OWN OPTIMUM SETTING

<KRISTI> YOU WILL BE ADJUSTING THE CONTRAST LATER IN THE PROCESS, SO THAT ISN'T HIGHLY CRITICAL, BUT A GOOD CHOICE COULD SAVE YOU SOME TIME IN SOME OF THESE MIDDLE STEPS

<KRISTI> http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving2.html

<Janet> that's within the "map" menu probably?

<KRISTI> MAP MENU???

<KRISTI> FOR CONTRAST?

KRISTI FLIPS OVER TO OPEN UP HER COREL PHOTO-PAINT

KRISTI CROSSES ALL APPENDAGES IN HOPES HER COMPUTER DOESN'T DECIDE TO BE TEMPERMENTAL AGAIN

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<Sabine> I found Image in the top line

<Sabine> then adjust

<Sabine> I«m using photoshop

<KRISTI> IN PHOTOPAINT, IT'S "IMAGE -> ADJUST -> BRIGHTNESS, CONTRAST, INTENSITY OR CTRL+B"

<KRISTI> YES, SABINE

KRISTI JUST KNOWS THAT JANET IS A PHOTOPAINT USER

<Janet> I've done it :)

<Sabine> i had to deinstallatll

<Janet> I use them all, whatever one my mouse finds first

<Sabine> i had to deinstall phtopaint because of the space

<KRISTI> WHAT'S THE MAP MENU THING YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT???

<Janet> in some of these programs the color mapping is under a separate menu

<KRISTI> OIC

<Janet> where you find intensity and contrast, those controls

<Janet> and the histogram, I always have to play with that

<Sabine> oh yes

<KRISTI> AFTER YOU ADJUST BRIGHTNESS AND CONTRAST TO YOUR LIKING, IT'S TIME TO TRIM AWAY ANY BUSY BACKGROUNDS

<KRISTI> THE LEVELS??

<Janet> yep

<KRISTI> YES, I DO, BUT NOT WITH THIS, I FIND IT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE ME ANY ADVANTAGE SINCE I GO TO A STRAIGHT 1-BIT B&W ANYWAY

<KRISTI> IN THIS PHOTO - BECAUSE THE HAT AND HER HAIR AND THAT IS SIMILAR IN COLOR TO THE BACKGROUND STUFF, I USE THE LASOO TOOL TO ROUGHLY REMOVE THE BACKGROUND

<KRISTI> ONCE I HAVE THAT DONE, I GO BACK IN AND CLEAN UP WITH THE MAGIC WANT

<KRISTI> WAND

Suse tiptoeing to the back of the class...not wanting to interrupt

<KRISTI> http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving2.html

<KRISTI> NO PROB SUSE

<Suse> ty

<KRISTI> WE'RE TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THAT PAGE - ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE ON THERE

<Suse> ty

<KRISTI> AND YOU CAN GET TO THE PREVIOUS PAGE FROM THERE

<KRISTI> SABINE - YOU ARE WORKING ALONG, YES?? ARE YOU WITH ME, OR SHOULD I WAIT A BIT MORE?

<Sabine> I«m with you but I«ve got a drawing I want to prepare

<Sabine> so right now I don«t know where to hop in

<KRISTI> OK

<KRISTI> WHY DON'T YOU ASK ME SOME QUESTIONS ON DRAWINGS VS PHOTOS AFTER CLASS???

<Sabine> ok

<KRISTI> http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving3.html

<KRISTI> NOW, IN PHOTOSHOP, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT FILTERS THAT COME IN HANDY - YOU TYPICALLY USE ONE OR ANOTHER AND NOT BOTH

<KRISTI> BUT, THERE ARE NO HARD AND FAST RULES

<KRISTI> THE FIRST TOOL WE'LL LOOK AT IS POSTER EDGES

<KRISTI> IT'S AT FILTERS > ARTISTIC > POSTER EDGES

<KRISTI> MY "TAKE" ON WHAT IT DOES IS THAT IT SEEKS OUT CHANGES IN VALUE AND MAKES LINES - ALMOST LIKE A LINE DRAWING

<KRISTI> IT SORT OF "CARTOONS" THE IMAGE AS IT WOULD BE ON A POSTER - GIVING IT BLACK OUTLINES AND RETAINING THE COLOR INSIDE

<KRISTI> YOU CAN CHANGE THREE PARAMETERS - EDGE THICKNESS, INTENSITY AND POSTERIZATION

<KRISTI> THE HIGHER THE THICKNESS, THE THICKER THE LINES

<KRISTI> THE HIGHER THE INTENSITY, THE LESS LINES YOU GET - IT ONLY OUTLINES THE "MAJOR" ONES AS THE COMPUTER SEES IT

<KRISTI> THE HIGHER THE POSTERIZATION, THE MORE ABSTRACT IT WILL LOOK

<KRISTI> YOU CAN TURN THESE INTO PICASSOS WITH THIS :-)

<Sabine> that«s what I need

<KRISTI> AFTER YOU DO THIS, YOU CAN CONVERT IT TO GREYSCALE

<jenmist> BRB - switching

<KRISTI> IMAGE > MODE > GRAYSCALE

<KRISTI> IT'S THE SAME IN PHOTOPAINT

<Janet> (in some programs this is called "convert")

<KRISTI> YES, TY JANET

<Janet> PSP i think is convert. micrografx is convert. the rest i use it's mode

<KRISTI> NOW, HERE IS WHERE I PLAY WITH THE HISTOGRAM OR LEVELS

<KRISTI> IMAGE > ADJUST > LEVELS OR CTRL+L

<KRISTI> EXPERIENCE WILL HELP YOU KNOW WHAT TO MOVE WHERE

<Sabine> is this to eliminate the different shades ?

<KRISTI> IT IS DIFFERENT WITH EACH PIC, BUT YOU WILL GET ACCUSTOMED TO WHICH POINTS MOVED IN WHICH DIRECTION PRODUCES CERTAIN RESULTS

<KRISTI> IT WON'T TOTALLY AT THIS POINT

<Sabine> ok

<KRISTI> IF YOU FIND YOU ARE LOOSING SOME DETAIL THAT YOU WISH TO RETAIN, OR KEEPING SOME YOU DON'T WANT TO KEEP, YOU CAN USE THE DODGE AND BURN TOOLS TO LIGHTEN AND DARKEN THOSE AREAS, RESPECTIVELY

<KRISTI> THE MORE YOU GO OVER AN AREA, THE MORE RESULT YOU WILL GET

<KRISTI> ONCE YOU ARE SATISFIED, THEN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR BRIGHTNESS/CONTRAST AND TURN THE CONTRAST ALL THE WAY UP TO +100

<KRISTI> THAT WILL REMOVE THE GRAY AREAS

<KRISTI> NOW, YOU WILL SEE IN THAT PHOTO I ENDED UP WITH LOTS OF EXTRANEOUS DOTS AND SUCH - YOU CAN LEAVES THOSE AND JUST CHOOSE TO NOT CARVE AROUND THEM

<KRISTI> OR, IF YOU DO TISSUE PAPER TRANSFER, YOU CAN JUST NOT TRACE THOSE ONTO YOUR TISSUE PAPER

<KRISTI> IF YOU ARE REALLY ANAL, YOU CAN GO IN AND REMOVE THEM WITH THE WANT TOOL

<KRISTI> NOW, I FOUND THIS ONE TO BE A BIT MORE DETAILED THAN I USUALLY LIKE

<KRISTI> IN FACT, I RARELY USE THE POSTER EDGES FILTER ANYMORE

<KRISTI> INSTEAD, I USE THE FILTER CALLED "CUT-OUT"

<KRISTI> WHEN USING THAT ONE, I'LL OFTEN DO THE FILTER, LOOK AT THE IMAGE AND SEE WHAT DETAILS I LOST OR RETAIN THAT I DIDN'T WANT, THEN I'LL HIT UNDO AND USE THE DODGE AND BURN

<KRISTI> THEN REDO THE FILTER AGAIN

<KRISTI> ON SOME PHOTOS I'LL GO BACK AND FORTH LIKE THIS FOR NO LESS THAN A DOZEN TIMES

<KRISTI> THIS REALLY A TRIAL AND ERROR SORT OF THING

<KRISTI> http://www.kurki15rs.com/photocarving5.html

<KRISTI> ON THERE YOU WILL SEE PHOTOS THAT WERE PREPPED EACH WAY

<KRISTI> I CHOSE THE SECOND ONE - IT'S REALLY MORE APPROPRIATE TO THE STYLE I INTENDED ON STAMP IT AS

<Sabine> yes i see what you mean , like the second better too

<KRISTI> BUT SOME PHOTOS WILL DO BETTER WITH THE POSTER EDGES THAN THE CUT-OUT - IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE PHOTO

<KRISTI> THIS PROCESS IS REALLY TRIAL AND ERROR FOR EACH PHOTO

<KRISTI> SOME PHOTOS I PLAY WITH AND SAVE B&W OF 4 TIMES OR MORE

<KRISTI> THAT'S WHAT I DID WITH JUST THE BOYS

<KRISTI> I HAD PREPPED IT, DIDN'T FEEL COMPLETELY MOVED ABOUT IT

<KRISTI> TRIED IT AGAIN A WEEK LATER, STILL DIDN'T FEEL QUITE RIGHT ABOUT IT

<KRISTI> LET IS SIT AMONTH, WENT BACK, GOT CLOSER, BUT NOT QUITE

<KRISTI> TRIED IT THE NEXT DAY AND NAILED IT

<KRISTI> IT'S REALLY 'GUT' THING

<KRISTI> BUT, WITH THE FIRST IMAGE AND TISSUE PAPER TRANSFER - THAT IS WHERE YOU CAN ALSO REALLY LET YOUR OWN ARTIST SPEAK MORE THAN IT DOES WHEN JUST USING FILTERS

<KRISTI> YOU CAN USE THAT AS GUIDE, BUT DRAW SOME OF YOUR OWN STUFF

<KRISTI> QUESTIONS?

<Sabine> tissue paper transfer is bringing the drawing onto the rubber ?

<KRISTI> YOU TRACE/DRAW ONTO TISSUE PAPER AND THEN PUT THAT PENCIL SIDE DOWN ON THE CARVING MATERIAL AND BURNISH IT

<Sabine> ok

<KRISTI> AND THE PENCIL TRANSFERS TO THE CARVING MATERIAL

<KRISTI> NOW, YOU WERE SPEAKING OF A DRAWING, SABINE?

<KRISTI> AS OPPOSED TO A PHOTO?

<Sabine> yes i think it may come from a photo

<KRISTI> IS IT B&W ALREADY?

<Sabine> I«m not sure concerning the light

<Sabine> no it s colored

<KRISTI> I THINK MOST OF THE CARVERS IN THE CARVING CONSORTIUM WOULD HAVE SAID I COULD NEVER CARVE A PORTRAIT FROM THAT PHOTO ON THESE SAMPLE PAGES

<KRISTI> I MOSTLY DON'T USUALLY KNOW COMPLETELY UNLESS I PLAY WITH IT A BIT

<KRISTI> YOU CAN START WITH B&W AND GO THROUGH ALL THE SAME STEPS

<Sabine> yes I can see a "plan" now

<KRISTI> OK, GOOD

<Sabine> I like photoshop better than paintshop pro I think

<KRISTI> IF ONE IS PATIENT, I'M ALWAYS OPEN TO GIVING A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME TO PREPPING A PHOTO

<KRISTI> I KNOW I DO, BUT PHOTOSHOP WAS MY FIRST EVER PAINT PROGRAM BACK WHEN IT WAS VERSION 2 OR SO

<KRISTI> JUST E-MAIL ME FIRST AND MAKE SURE I HAVE SOME TIME BEFORE YOU SEND ME AN ATTACHMENT :-)

<Sabine> oh thank you Kristi

<KRISTI> NO PROB

<KRISTI> NON PRIZES TO GIVE AWAY IN THIS ONE :-(

<Sabine> :-)

<KRISTI> NO ONE IN THE MALL CARRIES CARVING STUFF OR THAT TO SPONSOR ANY

<KRISTI> SO, EVERYONE GO SHOP SOME MORE UNTIL 7PM!

<Janet> thank you Kristi!

<Sabine> yep! Thank you so much Kristi !!

<Suse> thank you Kristi!

<KRISTI> THEN GO JOIN DEB AND 2ND*ON THE RIGHT FOR CAUGHT IN CRYSTAL

<Janet> i learned more new stuff again this class!

<KRISTI> YW

<KRISTI> THAT'S GOOD!

<KRISTI> :-)

<Scout> thank you, Kristi

<KRISTI> I'M SURPRISED, LOL!

<jenmist> TY Kristi

<KRISTI> YW

<jenmist> nice information even for a non carver like me

<Janet> or different ways of trying stuff

<KRISTI> THAT'S GOOD

<Janet> mostly i just keep trying stuff until it looks right

<KRISTI> YEP, ME TOO

<KRISTI> THIS HAS BEEN MY MOST SUCCESSFUL FOR CARVING PREP THOUGH

<Nikki> ty Kristi, this Im gonna try

<KRISTI> GOOD!

<Janet> cutout is something i'm going to try more often too

<Janet> Thank you again!!

<Janet> (I'm going shopping now <g>)

<KRISTI> I THINK SOME PROGRAMS HAVE SOMETHING CALLED STAMP THAT IS SIMILAR

<KRISTI> BYE EVERYONE

<Sabine> bye Kristi

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