<mj> what sheet?

<jhone> my new rubber

<deb1> new rubber

<jhone> just sent it off for engraving then pressing

<mj> haven't seen it

<deb1> it's wonderful

<jhone> it's called Fluttering Wings

<deb1> and it's all mine

<brenda> jhone i wanna see

<jhone> it is dragonflies and butterflies and a swan and an eagle

<deb1> they are lovely

<mj> I'm partial to dragonflies and butterflies

<madkapkid> dragonflies and butterflies sound wonderful

<deb1> they are gorgeous

<brenda> put me down for one of those plates

<brenda> it is awesome jhone

<jhone> ty

<Scout> i wanna see "it"

<madkapkid> Where do we go see the images?

<Janet> Jhone, want me to quick dump that somewhere people can see it?

<jhone> yes, please, pretty please?

<Janet> Just a sec, Lea, I'm going to go dump now.

<madkapkid> YES..would like to see them

<jhone> I was just gonna beg you to do that

<Legs> ooooooooooooooooooooooh, a quick dump..that's the very best kind

<cak> lol

<vicki> i wish she'd find another term for that

<jhone> y'aall, this file we're talking about isn't the class

<jhone> it's just my newest rubber sheet

<jhone> I'm bragging about it

<Scout> Well, we want to brag about it too

<jhone> good, I'm glad

<jhone> in fact, I just might offer a special deal at the end of the class on prepaid orders for it

<debbies_diecuts> well is there a page to look at for tonight...

<jhone> as well as one for the lumieres

<jhone> no, debbie, there isn't

<debbies_diecuts> :(

<vicki> oooohhhhh i want one

<brenda> yippieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

<jhone> this is gonna be a workshop -- we're going to discuss how to use lumieres on all sorts of things

<madkapkid> everyone is oohing and ahhing and I want to see them...LOL

<jacat> i wanna see and I want lumieres cuz i don't have any at all

<Legs> who's oohing and ahhing????

<debbies_diecuts> i use mine alot...with my favorite applicator...my finger...

<jhone> debbie, my fave applicator is a sea sponge

<Legs> get the green, Jacat...and that halo pink

<Legs> and the russet

<jhone> I like to sponge them on - the coverage is so pretty then

<vicki> get them all

<debbies_diecuts> yeah...well I have that too...but it takes effort to reach on the shelf to get it...and finger is right there on my hand

<jhone> there ya go, vicki!

<Legs> no, some of the new golds are too much alike

<jhone> I agree, legs

<madkapkid> I am saddened to say I don't own any yet....BUT, figure YOU all will surely prompt me to get them. LOL

<jhone> sunset gold is my fave

<jacat> *LOL* thanks vicki - now i just need to know why i absolutely have to have them!

<jhone> well, there will be a special on tonight for the lumieres - I'm out of one or two colors cause artquest ran out

<vicki> halo violet is my new fav

<debbies_diecuts> jhone picked mine out in atlanta at the convention...so i just bought what she suggested

<jhone> but they are ordered

<Legs> is that the one that looks like the powdered Aztec gold, Jhone?

<Janet> got it. http://www.cyberstampers.com/all-wings.jpg

<jhone> yes, legs! that's it

<cak> thanks janet

<Legs> yes, that halo violet is cool and that other halo blue

<Legs> what's it called?

<jhone> okay, before we talk any more lumieres, everyone go admire my new rubber please!

<jhone> no one will get an A if they don't admire it

<jhone> <G>

<vicki> jacat, once you have one, you need all others

<Legs> yes, that's THE best gold, Jhone!

<cak> ooooo and ahhhhhhh

<jhone> sunset is scrumptious

<jhone> cak, you're faking it - I can tell

<Janet> Yep. I need it, Jhone.

<vicki> jhone puts nicotine in them, so they are addictive

<jhone> not nicotine, vicki

<Janet> I told ya I'd be ordering within no time at all

<jhone> NEVER nicotine

<jhone> maybe chocolate dust

<Janet> chocolate??

<Scout> whoo-eeeeee! great wings....

<Janet> LOL

<cak> (just getting mine in first. Now I'll go look and mean it for real)

<vicki> well, something addictive

<Legs> oh, these are cute! who drew them, Jhone?

<Janet> I'm addicted to pretty much anything addictive

<vicki> i said i wanted it first....

<jhone> well, some are from an Australian artist named Eugenia Bacon

<jhone> two are mine

<debbies_diecuts> oh very cool...very cool indeed

<jhone> and a couple are public domain

<Janet> and some stuff that ain't, like fat free tortillas

<jhone> fat free tortillas???

<jhone> where do you get fat gree tortillas?

<Janet> sad, ain't it?

<jhone> I NEED fat free tortillas

<Lory> betta than fat free

<glitrbug> Love the butterflies!

<jhone> OK NOW THAT EVERYONE HAS ADMIRED MY LATEST RUBBER

<madkapkid> thanks Lea...just learned that when on aol you can't go check out other urls or you leave the room.....I need to get that MIRC installed again. LOL

<C_Lion> hey legs i have some things for you to look at later

<jhone PUTS STAR NEXT TO EACH STUDENT'S NAME

<Janet> I have a couple of my favorite Lumiere paints real close to me.

<Legs> Janet, do you know Madkapkid???? she's only like one of THE best stampers I have ever known..you need to make her teach

<madkapkid> I did LIKE that new rubber....oooohhhh and Ahhhhh

<Janet> (the ones I've spilled under my desk)

<brenda> a new teacher?

<madkapkid> LOL

<Janet> Karen?? You need to be teaching. Lea says so. Deb and/or Brenda will be speaking to you soon. :)

<jacat> i love those butterflies!

<madkapkid> Okay....we can talk

<jhone> JEN, GO LOOK AT http://www.cyberstampers.com/all-wings.jpg

<jhone> SO YOU CAN SEE MY NEW RUBBER

<jenmist> ooooooh

<jhone> MANDATORY

<jenmist> wunnerful

<madkapkid> the new rubber is mega awesome

<jenmist> natch

<jhone> TY, KAREN

<Legs> she's really good......I hate her a lot

<jhone> OKAY

<jhone> READY TO TALK ABOUT LUMIERES AND THE USE THEREOF???

<brenda> yess

<debbies_diecuts> shoot yeah

<glitrbug> yes!

<mj> YES! jacat waving hand in air

<madkapkid> yes....

<vicki> yes m'am

<jhone> FIRST QUESTION -- HAS ANYONE FOUND ANYTHING THEY ARE NOT GOOD FOR PAINTING?

<madkapkid> I need to learn so I can get some

<jhone> NO, KAREN, YOU HAVE IT BACKWARDS

<deb1> nope

<C_Lion> your eyes?

<Janet> MY FLOOR.

<jhone> YOU GET THEM, THEN YOU LEARN

<Lory> toenails

<deb1> I paint on everthang with them

<madkapkid> tee hee

<Janet> MY TOENAILS

<jhone> THEY DON'T STICK VERY LONG TO FINGERNAILS

<Janet> that's my only complaint with them, they spill.

<jhone> AND THEY WASH OUT OF HAIR, BUT YOU CAN DO A ONE DAY JOBBIE ON YOUR HAIR IF YOU WANT

<vicki> i bet janet's floor is purty

<Janet> it's sparkly fer shure

<jhone> JANET, POUR SOME ONTO A STYRO PLATE

<jhone> THEN PUT THE LID BACK ON THE JAR

<jhone> USE THE PLATE LATER TO MAKE PINS

<Janet> DER. then at least when I tump over the plate, I spill less

<jhone> DON'T TRY TO PAINT FROM THE JAR ANYWAY - TOO EASY TO CONTAMINATE THE CONTENTS

<Janet> (I spill everything)

<jhone> WELL, SPILLING IS A GOOD REASON TO BUY MORE

<brenda> yep janet does

<vicki> lol

<C_Lion> i put all paints on aol cds

<jhone> BUT, THE STYRO PLATES ARE SO PRETTY WITH THE PAINT ON THEM

<Legs> is there an extender for the lumieres, jhone?

<Janet> I've been painting from the jar lid. but using a styrofoam plate is a much better idea

<jhone> THERE IS LEGS, BUT I DON'T CARRY IT

<Legs> cos why?

<jhone> I HAVEN'T FOUND ANY NEED FOR AN EXTENDER

<Legs> does it suck?

<Janet> i've used gesso

<jhone> THE PAINT HAS A WONDERFUL CONSISTENCY AS IS

<Janet> and watered down and put 'em into washes

<cak> does the extender increase the transparency, the open time or both or neither?

<Legs> well, it's so dry here that every paint dries so fast that it's hard to work with

<jhone> YOU KNOW, CAK, I THINK IT JUST THINS IT DOWN

<jhone> AND I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS THINNING

<jhone> OH, I HADN'T THOUGHT OF THAT, LEGS

<C_Lion> may depend on the extender you use

<Janet> Lea, try just any acrylic extender, should work

<Legs> do you live someplace humid, Jhone?

<jhone> I BET YOU COULD USE ACRYLIC MEDIUM

<Janet> (she does)

<jhone> SC COAST!!!

<jhone> HUMID AS CAN BE (85% DAILY THRU THE YEAR)

<keribou> I bought a spin art machine today I want to use Lumieres with it

<Legs> I just wondered if that had their own make

<jhone> IF YOU SIT STILL HERE, YOU GROW MOLD

<jhone> THEY DO, LEGS

<Legs> ok

<jhone> AND IF YOU NEED IT, I CAN ORDER IT FOR YOU

<Legs> cool

<Legs> and for Janet too

<C_Lion> url for class?

<Janet> yeah, I could use it

<jhone> C LI0N, THERE ISN'T ONE

<jhone> THIS IS A WORKSHOP

<C_Lion> ty [the logger was dropped here momentarily]

<LLB> Gonna, jhone? Ya mean I', not that late?

<C_Lion> i love lumieres have not found much they do not work on

<jhone> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT, LLB

<debbies_diecuts> you used Lumieres on a mail box...did you do anything special to the metal first...

<jhone> DEBBIE, THE MAILBOX WAS ALREADY PAINTED, SO I AM JUST PAINTING OVER IT

<jhone> SPONGING PURPLE AND HALO VIOLET AND BRASS

<debbies_diecuts> but you did not apply anything over the prepainted surface to give tooth to it

<jhone> NOPE

<jhone> DIDN'T NEED IT

<LLB> I've only tried them on fabric. And not with any courage, just wimpy doodles.

<jhone> LUMIERES DON'T REALLY NEED MUCH TOOTH TO STICK

<debbies_diecuts> are you just sponging them...or brush painting with them

<jhone> THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I'M SO CRAZY ABOUT THEM

<jhone> SPONGING

<C_Lion> i have used lumieres on metal altoid tops and did nothing to them, stuck just fine

<Janet> I've used 'em on the back of transparencies and love doing that

<jhone> I DON'T LIKE BRUSHING - LEAVES BRUSH MARKS

<Janet> they dry

<jhone> JANET, I'VE NOT LIKE WHAT I'VE DONE ON TRANSPARENCY

<jhone> WHAT APPLICATOR DO YOU USE?

<deb1> I like to sponge them too

<jhone> AN ARTIST BRUSH?

<debbies_diecuts> yeah...I was thinking of painting flowers with them on a mail box mayebe

<Janet> usually red sable because that's what's closest to hand, since mostly I watercolor

<neetzl> If you use Lumieres on fabric, do they come out when you wash the item?

<jhone> DEBBIE, WHY DON'T YOU USE SOME CHUNKY STAMPS AND STAMP THE FLOWERS ON?

<C_Lion> i use brushes with them too

<Janet> but multiple coats get rid of the streaks

<Lory> heat set them neetzl

<deb1> I've done both

<LLB> I haven't tried washing yet, but I think I'm supposed to heat set them before washing

<keribou> can you stamp over Lumeire paint? I have had zero luck with that on Altoid tins

<deb1> but I like to sponge the top coat

<neetzl> ty

<jhone> JUST HEAT SET

<jenmist> I use the sponge brushes usually

<jhone> EITHER IRON ON THE BACK SIDE OR TUMBLE IN THE DRIER

<Janet> and a sponge sort of technique with q-tips on transparencies works too

<deb1> yes me too heather

<jhone> KERI, I HAVEN'T TRIED STAMPING OVER, BUT A FRIEND OF MINE HAS

<jhone> AND SHE HAD NO TROUBLE

<vicki> keri, brilliance will stamp on top of lumieres

<debbies_diecuts> I stamped over Lumieres with Evo's black document ink

<jhone> HOWEVER, SHE WAS STAMPING WITH LUMIERES

<LLB> So what does any of you do to stamp WITH lumiere paints - what do you put it on, how do you keep it wet, etc.??

<madkapkid> Document black also works on top of them

<brenda> document ink will stamp anything

<Janet> evo's black document ink stamps over almost anything, I love that stuff

<jhone> TO STAMP WITH LUMIERES, YOU CAN SPONGE THE PAINT RIGHT ONTO YOUR STAMP

<madkapkid> I don't own any but did try some dominoes with them...

<jhone> JUST BE SURE TO WASH THE PAINT OFF RIGHT AWAY OR IT WILL STICK TO THE RUBBER

<debbies_diecuts> i did the shattered glass tech using Lumieres on black card stock...and stamped with document ink

<jhone> WON'T HURT THE RUBBER, BUT WILL MAKE IT A DIFFERENT COLOR

<madkapkid> ohhhhhh, that is good to note...

<Janet> I know how you get it off when you forget to wash the stamp!

<jhone> HOW, JANET?

<jhone> TELL!!!

<jhone> I'M SUCH A SLOB I NEED THAT INFO

<Janet> put a good movie in the VCR, then get a small bowl of water and a nail brush

<jhone> HEHEHE

<Janet> eventually you get it all off

<jenmist> lol

<jhone> OK

<vicki> lol

<brenda> roflol

<jhone> THAT'S HOW I GOT IT OFF MY MANICURE

<TheMadStamper> TY

<deb1> it looks awful perty on your fingernails : )

<Janet> Lumieres splattered on a fresh manicure? just splatter the rest of your fingers and say you meant to do it

<deb1> don't ask me how I know that

<jhone> YEAH, BUT MY NAIL TECH DOESN'T LIKE IT WHEN I COME IN WITH PAINT ON MY NAILS

<Janet> yeah, don't ask me how I know how to get dried paint off a stamps either

<deb1> competition????

<deb1> lol

<Janet> LOL yeah

<jhone> SHE SAYS IT MAKES TOO MUCH WORK FOR HER

<jhone> DID Y'ALL KNOW I CAN ORDER LUMIERES BY THE QUART?

<jhone> SO IF YOU PLAN SOME LARGE PROJECT, I CAN GET IT FOR YOU THAT WAY

<neetzl> How do you clean up the stamps if the lumiere isn't dried on?

<vicki> like a wall?

<jhone> WASH IT OFF WITH SOAP AND WATER

<jhone> YEP, MY BATHROOM WALLS, VICKI

<vicki> cool

<jhone> I'M GOING TO SPONGE WHITE LUMIERE OVER THE PEACHY PINK THAT IS UP THERE NOW

<jhone> DON'T YOU THINK THAT WILL BE PRETTY?

<C_Lion> I shoud order a quart of black

<vicki> yes

<C_Lion> i think lumieres makes about the best black i have ever used

<jhone> HI, STACY!!!

<Janet> that should be gorgeous

<meanmom> hi jhone

<jhone> CLION, THAT'S NEOPAQUE

<jhone> LUMIERE DOESN'T HAVE BLACK

<C_Lion> oops same company

<jhone> THE 2 PAINTS ARE BOTTLED JUST ALIKE BUT THE NEOPAQUES ARE NOT METALLIC OR PEARLESCENT

<jhone> NO PROBLEM

<jhone> I CAN STILL ORDER THEM BY THE QUART

<jhone> IT'S ABOUT $60, BUT THAT'S CHEAPER THAN BUYING THE LITTLE JARS <g>

<C_Lion> i thnk of them as one since they have te same quailty

<debbies_diecuts> for un primed paper or card stock surfaces...do you recommend a base coat...or just work off the surface...like of chipboard

<jhone> I MAKE THE DISTINCTION BECAUSE I DECIDED TO NOT CARRY THE NEOPAQUES

<Janet> Jhone, I have used these on fabric lately, works wonderful.

<jhone> DEBBIE, I USE CHEAP BLACK ACRYLIC UNDER MOST EVERYTHING I PAINT WITH LUMIERES

<jhone> I LIKE THE WAY THEY POP WHEN BLACK IS USED UNDERNEATH, BUT THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE

<debbies_diecuts> cool...very useful info...thanks

<C_Lion> brenda would you tell someone in cyberstampers how to get here

<cak> I'd like to add wood to debbie's list of unprimed surfaces. OK to use without priming?

<jhone> YOU DON'T NEED TO PRIME

<Vyx> Turned out really well, Jhone, thanks for that tip about the black. :)

<jhone> HOWEVER, IF YOU DON'T, YOU'LL NEED TO USE MORE LUMIERES

<jhone> IT WILL SOAK IN

<jenmist> I have some pieces painted black waiting for me now

<cak> so at least seal it?

<jhone> THAT'S WHY I USE THE CHEAP ACRYLIC ... IT KEEPS THE LUMIERES FROM SOAKING IN

<debbies_diecuts> what about black mat board...should I seal it...or just paint right off the black surface

<brenda> ljoy you made it

<LJoy> thanks!

<brenda> yw

<madkapkid> so its really a good idea to prime first...

<jhone> DEBBIE, I WOULDN'T DO ANY THING TO BLACK MAT BOARD

<Janet> Jhone, tell us how to buy Lumieres?

<debbies_diecuts> ty

<jhone> ORDER LUMIERES FROM MOI

<jhone> LUMIERES YOU BUY ELSEWHERE AREN'T AS GOOD

<deb> never

<Janet> http://www.jhone.com right?

<brenda> lol

<jenmist> ROFL

<jhone> AND THEY SPILL

<Janet> LOL

<jhone> AND SMELL FUNKY

<C_Lion> lol

<brenda> and cost more

<LLB> How come you don't carry neopaques, jhone?

<TheMadStamper> LOL!!

<jenmist> and are more expensive usually

<jhone> OH, AND THE COLORS AREN'T AS PRETTY

<C_Lion> they do have a funny smell

<vicki> janet bought them elsewhere????

<Janet> the "cost more" is what is important to me

<jhone> NAH, JANET JUST SPILLS EVERYTHING

<Janet> LOL nope, Jhone gave me a "gimme one of every color" special deal

<jhone> SHOOT, SHE PROBABLY SPILLS RUBBER AND IT'S SOLID

<vicki> lol

<Janet> I just spilled bread pudding in my keyboard.

<TheMadStamper> deal???

<C_Lion> how much are they jhone

<jhone> I HAVE LIMITED SPACE FOR STOCK, LLB, BECAUSE I WORK FROM MY HOME

<vicki> roflmao

<Janet> (that's why I was quiet for a little bit)

<jhone> AND I THINK NEOPAQUES ARE TOO SIMILAR TO OTHER PRODUCTS OUT THERE

<Janet> I couldn't decide what colors, so I had to buy every color.

<jhone> LUMIERES ARE $4.75 A JAR

<Janet> and I'm glad I did

<TheMadStamper> are these like RP's at all??

<jhone> THE REGULAR RETAIL PRICE IS $4.95 AT THE STORES

<C_Lion> not the black though jhone

<jenmist> lumieres are truly unique

<debbies_diecuts> NO they aren't no like RP

<jhone> OH, NO, NOT LIKE RPS AT ALL

<Janet> Not even close (in my opinion)

<jhone> THESE ARE real PAINTS

<jenmist> better than RP IMHO

<jenmist> even paint disabled me can use these

<debbies_diecuts> yes, better than RP

<TheMadStamper> RP's are bad?;o( jhone IS NOT AN RP FAN

<Janet> they're different. RPs are a glycerine base. these are acrylic base

<LLB> That's probably true, about the neopaques being like so many other acrylic paints. Lumieres sure are different.

<C_Lion> rp is good for some things but lumieres sry on any surface

<jhone> LLB, I'M NOT PUTTING NEOPAQUES DOWN

<jenmist> you get a lot more lumiere for the buck compared to RP

<C_Lion> dry

<jhone> I JUST HAVE TO LIMIT MY PRODUCT LINE

<jhone> SO I CHOSE LUMIERES

<jhone> THEY ARE UNIQUE, I THINK

<LJoy> Wish I could limit my buying!

<jenmist> and the coverage with lumieres is awesome

<debbies_diecuts> Lumieres on Sheer Heaven is well can I say it...Sheer Heavenly Lumiere

<Janet> RPs (only I use the Faerie Myst paints) but a glycerine based paint is good for some projects. They just aren't the same as these at all.

<TheMadStamper> I do have some RP's...a new purchase and they are SMALLL

<C_Lion> how many colors do lumieres come in?

<Vyx> very concentrated colors... you think you've squeezed out every drop from the brush, but when you wash it, wow.

<jhone> I CARRY 20 COLORS

<deb> I think I have all 20

<deb> of course

<jenmist> very true Vyx

<Janet> and I own 'em all

<jhone> YOU CAN SEE THEM AT WWW.JHONE.COM/LUMIERE.HTML

<LJoy> What's differecnt about the latest colors?

<deb> all the ones I bought I got from jhone

<deb> of course

<jhone> http://www.jhone.com/lumieres.html

<jhone> THE LATEST COLORS

<Janet> Oh Ljoy! They are awesome.

<LLB> Oh, I know jhone - I'm very sympathetic to space limitations, especially in a home business. And there are new colors in the Lumiere line now, aren't there?

<jhone> SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY WONDERFUL

<jhone> SOME ARE A LITTLE DUPLICATED

<jhone> THE THREE HALO COLORS ARE TO DIE FOR

<deb> yep there are a couple you could do with out

<mj> beautiful

<jenmist> brass!!! - love it

<deb> but those halos are great

<Janet> no no, I use all the different golds for monochromatic looking things

<jhone> THE SUNSET GOLD IS GORGEOUS

<jhone> AND THE PEWTER IS WAY COOL

<Vyx> I'm very fond of Russet myself

<LJoy> Are the new colors all "gold" based?

<debbies_diecuts> love russet

<jhone> ALL EXCEPT THE PEWTER, LJOY

<Janet> emerald green and olive green are gorgeous

<jhone> THE PEWTER IS A BLACKISH SILVER

<C_Lion> the olove green is amazing

<jhone> YOU CAN SEE ALL THE COLORS I CARRY AT http://www.jhone.com/lumieres.html

<TheMadStamper> Do you need certain colors to blend them with or are these more like regular acrylic paints?

<deb> I have a lavender tshirt started

<deb> and just bought a tourquoise one to paint

<jhone> JANET, WHEN YOU USE THEM ON TRANSPARENCIES, DON'T YOU STAMP ON ONE SIDE THEN PAINT ON THE OTHER?

<jhone> LUMIERES CAN BE BLENDED WITH EACH OTHER, BUT THESE AREN'T REALLY MEANT FOR DETAIL PAINTING

<Janet> I blend all of them whenever I want to. And blend different ones to get different shades, too

<jhone> THEY ARE MORE THINGS FOR LIKE PAINTING A TSHIRT OR AN ALTOID TIN

<debbies_diecuts> when I use these type paints on the acetate pieces...I stamp and work off the same side...

<mj> I have Starbright colors and textile colors...are they majorly different from lumieres?

<jhone> OR PAPER MACHE

<debbies_diecuts> that way the ink from the stamp image become sealed along with the paints

<jhone> MJ, I DON'T KNOW WHAT STARBRIGHT IS

<LLB> I am about a whole minute behind in this whole conversation, so forgive me if I enter this and it's been answered - I haven't seen the halos colors in my friendly neighborhood art store - what makes 'em special or different?

<jhone> LLB, THE HALO COLORS ARE GOLD AND ANOTHER COLOR

<Lory> i have some starbright and they dry kinda sticky on paper, but ok on fabric mj

<jhone> SO WHEN YOU TURN THE ITEM, YOU SEE GOLD, THEN PINK

<mj> Fabric paint

<jhone> OR BLUE AND GREEN WITH GOLD

<jhone> OR VIOLET WITH GOLD

<Janet> like purple or pink or turquoise with a gold undertone. really yummy

<C_Lion> kind of a duochrome effect

<jhone> THEY ARE WAY DIFFERENT

<jhone> YES, THEY ARE DUO-ISH

<jhone> AND ARE MUCH PRETTIER WHEN PAINTED OVER BLACK

<debbies_diecuts> I stamped acetate with document ink...then just dabbed on lumieres...then when dry glued a piece of crumpled white tissue on the back...

<jhone> DEBBIE, THAT SOUNDS REALLY PRETTY

<Lory> shannonho

<brenda> hey shannon

<jhone> DID YOU SOLIDLY COVER THE ACETATE

<jhone> HI SHANNON

<C_Lion> jhone that is tho one reason you should stock neopaque black

<Shannon> hey y'all

<jhone> HI CHERYL?

<jhone> CLION, I MIGHT SHOULD

<RubberKin> hi jhone

<jhone> I WILL THINK ABOUT IT

<debbies_diecuts> yeah...but did not let it get too opaque

<Janet> I admit, I usually use the 88 cent a jar cheapo stuff for underneath

<jhone> AND I WILL EXPECT YOU TO BUY THE FIRST 2 JARS <g>

<C_Lion> lol

<jhone> ME, TOO, JANET

<cak> Has anyone tried stippling with them? does the luminscent quality disappear when it's just tiny dots of color?

<debbies_diecuts> did it kinda thin so it did not take away from the black image

<Shannon> do we have samples somewhere?

<jhone> NO SAMPLES, SHANNON

<jhone> WE'RE DISCUSSING!!!

<Janet> I have an assortment of neopaques, but I save 'em for fabric painting

<jhone> BUT MY NEW RUBBER IS UP TEMPORARILY, THANKS TO JANET

<jhone> WANNA SEE?

<Janet> I did learn the secret of not having stiff paint on painting.

<Shannon> you mean i have to do it on my own? no ideas to copy??? dang.

<Janet> http://www.cyberstampers.com/all-wings.jpg

<jhone> JANET, WHERE DID YOU PUT IT?

<Janet> there. I'm psychic.

<Janet> or psycho. I forget

<C_Lion> what is it janet?

<deb> lol

<jhone> BOTH, JANET

<Shannon> psychoic

<jhone> BUT THAT'S WHY I LOVE YOU SO MUCH

<Janet> there ya go. that's it. psychotic

<cak> so what about soft paintings, Janet?

<Janet> yeah! I can tell this!!

<LJoy> Think I saw Jhone demo Lumieres on styrofoam plates (over black), then tearing the plate, then shrinking - AWESOME RESULTS!!!

<Janet> The first few shirts I did, they were stiff

<Janet> stiff where the paint was.

<jhone> WHERE DID YOU SEE ME DO THAT, LJOY?

<Shannon> ya ya yama

<deb> > X

<LJoy> Atlanta?

<mj> hi yama

<jhone> YEP

<deb> > X

<jhone> THAT WAS ME

<yamamama> hey shannon

<yamamama> hi my

<cak> and??? Janet?

<yamamama> mj †

<deb> hi shannon

<deb> hi yamamama

<jhone> SO HOW DID YOU FIX THAT, JANET?

<LJoy> I bought a few - tried it at home and bought some more!

<Janet> but someone, I think MaggieB, but someone told me to use a really stiff bristle brush and work the paint into the fabric

<mj> yep

<Shannon> heyya deb

<jhone> OTHER THAN WASHING IT LOTS?

<deb> anyway to keep the shirt from getting stiff

<Janet> you use something to keep it from soaking through to the back, so it's okay, just really moosh it in so it gets really good into the weave of the fabric

<Vyx> move the paint into the fibers instead of sitting on top?

<deb> hmm

<Janet> yes!

<cak> like when you swirl on when you stencil?

<jhone> COOL IDEA

<deb> I'll try that

<LLB> I missed the early part of this discussion - what does water or the extender do to lumieres? I mean, when is it good to use them and when not a good idea?

<jhone> NEVER USE AN EXTENDER

<jhone> THE LUMIERES WILL LAST TOO LONG THEN AND YOU WON'T NEED TO BUY MORE FROM MOI

<Janet> you use about the same amount of paint, but you really get it into the weave of the fabric and after the first washing it is soft, a real part of the fabric instead of a stiff thing on top

<neetzl> What temp. do you use to shrink styrofoam?

<jhone> USE THEM STRAIGHT

<Janet> LOL

<LLB> Oh. LOL!!!

<mj> Jhone..did you do anything special to squish the foam plates for pins?

<C_Lion> do not use too much water if you are using them on a non porous surface

<jhone> USED A HEAT GUN TO HEAT THEM

<LLB> But, jhone, don't you carry the extender?

<jhone> NOPE, DON'T CARRY THE EXTENDER

<mj> how sturdy are they?

<jhone> THE PINS?

<mj> yep

<jhone> THEY ARE SLIGHTLY FRAGILE

<jhone> IF YOU SIT ON ONE, IT WILL BREAK

<Janet> (but she can order it for you and me for summertime painting)

<jhone> BUT MY SEAT BELT DOESN'T BREAK IT

<C_Lion> lol

<debbies_diecuts> what about on shrink plastic...could they be used on it...before shrinking...or will it burn when shrinking...

<mj> they look fun!

<jhone> PAINT BEFORE SHRINKING

<mj> glad you wear a seat belt

<jhone> THE SHRINK PLASTIC WILL LOOK WONDERFUL

<cak> C, that sounds like the voice of experience. What happened with the water extended Lums on your porous surface?

<jhone> MJ, I ALWAYS WEAR MY SEAT BELT

<Lory says its the law...jhone obeys the law, lol

<C_Lion> if you use too much water on a non porous surface it will bead up

<mj> lol

<jhone> WELL, MOST LAWS

<cak> uh, non-porous

<jhone> BUT I BELIEVE IN SEATBELTS

<mj> me too...has saved my friends

<C_Lion> loke shiny metal cak

<debbies_diecuts> hmm...now I just gotta try that...Lumieres on shrink plastic die cut shapes...

<Janet> and never ever show a Jhone pin to your kid if you want to see it again

<jhone> JANET, I'LL SEND YOU ANOTHER ONE

<mj> I was thinking of a Jhone pin for the nieces for birthdays or whatever

<C_Lion> cak, like the tops of altoid tins

<cak> but not if you used it straight?

<jhone> THOSE PINS ARE SO EASY!

<Janet> send it with my next order, I'm gonna need the new stamps

<deb> and so fun

<jhone> MJ, ON MY LUMIERE PAGE, AT THE BOTTOM IS A LINK TO A PAGE WITH SOME FINISHED PINS WITH BEAD DECORATIONS TO GIVE IDEAS

<jhone> IF YOU WANT TO LOOK

<jhone> http://www.jhone.com/lumieres.html

<mj> yes I will. ty

<C_Lion> used straight it clings to the surface wonderfully

<jhone> http://www.jhone.com/lumgallery.html

<jhone> IF YOU WANT TO MAIL THE STYRO PINS, PUT THEM IN SOMETHING STURDY

<jhone> CAUSE THE MAIL WILL SURELY BREAK THEM

<Vyx> what is faux momi?

<mj> my question too?

<jhone> WHEN I DID THE SUMMER SWAP, I PUT EACH ONE IN AN ALTOID

<LLB> ju

<jhone> TIN

<LLB> '

<jhone> OK

<jhone> FAUX MOMI

<deb> I got lots of compliments on my styro pins

<jhone> EVERYONE WANT A QUICK LESSON?

<vicki> yep

<debbies_diecuts> yeah

<Vyx> Yes please!

<jacat> I'm sorry I sound dense, but can I use lumieres right on altoid tins and the like or do I need to do something to the surface first?

<C_Lion> sure

<mj> oh yes

<jhone> TAKE A BROWN PAPER SACK?

<labelle> yes

<jhone> JACAT, JUST PAINT IT STRAIGHT ON THE TIN

<Vyx> Jacat, right on the surface.

<C_Lion> i have never done anthing to the surface first jacat

<LLB> oops

<vicki> jacat, no prime necessary for tins

<jhone> WAD THE SACK UP REAL TIGHT

<jhone> THEN STRAIGHTEN IT OUT

<jacat> alrighty - thanks. now I will have to buy some LOL

<cak> (it just seems too good to be true)

<deb> lol

<jhone> DUMP IT IN A BOWL OF WATER (OR THE KITCHEN SINK)

<jhone> GET IT WET

<jhone> DON'T TEAR IT

<jhone> LAY IT OUT ON NEWSPAPER

<jhone> BLOB ON LUMIERES, 2-3 COLORS

<vicki> then buy more

<jhone> JUST BLOB THEM ON TIL YOU HAVE IT COVERED, BUT TRY NOT TO STIR THE COLORS

<jhone> YOU MAKE MUD IF YOU MIX THE COLORS TOO MUCH

<jhone> THEN LET IT DRY

<jhone> VERY PRETTY DECORATIVE PAPER

<jhone> OH, SORRY

<jhone> BRAYER THE PAINT SMOOTH

<jhone> THEN LET IT DRY

<deb> wow

<jenmist> whew

<jhone> WAY EASY

<deb> I gotta do that

<Vyx> can I like fingerpaint em on the paper?

<labelle> blob then brayer?

<jhone> WORKING ON WET CRUMPLED PAPER GIVES TEXTURE

<cak> can you use the kraft paper you can buy on rolls, or is it too thin?

<mj> grocery sacks or lunch sacks o.k. does weight make a difference

<jhone> CAK, IT'S NOT TOO THIN

<jhone> YOU JUST NEED TO BE MORE CAREFUL NOT TO TEAR THE THINNER PAPER

<cak> (mj and I are thinkin' along the same lines)

<jhone> YOU CAN ACTUALLY USE PLAIN OLD TYPING PAPER, BUT THE KRAFT PAPER ADDS A LITTLE COLOR

<jhone> AND TEXTURE

<mj> (creative people ya know)

<deb> lol

<cak> cool

<deb> fun fun

<jhone> IF YOU HAVE ANY STORE BAGS THAT ARE BLACK, I BET THEY WOOULD BE KILLER GORGEOUS

<Vyx> Might be a good use for that long roll of 10 inch wide kraft paper I have.

<jhone> GOOD USE, VYX

<Janet> the black text weight paper you can buy at Sam's is easy to tear, but if you don't tear it, it works awesome, looks way cool

<mj> way cool technique

<keribou> when I sponge or paint with a brush I wipe off them on wet brown paper and make faux momi paper that way- lighter colors

<cak> if you used a bag that had some printing on it, would you be able to see the printing after you lum it?

<keribou> differen look then brayers and I don't waste paint

<jhone> CAK, YOU MIGHT NEED A SECOND COAT

<debbies_diecuts> what about black tissue paper...can it be used if really careful

<jhone> SO I THINK I WOULD PAINT OVER TH EWORDS FIRST

<jhone> THEN BLOB AND BRAYER

<cak> gotcha, thanks

<Janet> Heather, what a great idea. sort of like a brush cleaning paper, having wet kraft paper next to you

<jhone> DEBBIE, I AM AFRAID TISSUE WOULD BE HARD TO HANDLE

<keribou> exactly Janet

<jhone> TRY IT AND LET ME KNOW

<vicki> maybe , don't wet the tissue paper???

<jenmist> or spray it

<jhone> JANET, I DO THAT ON PAPER TOWELS AND THEN MAKE PAPER BEADS

<debbies_diecuts> i will...my aunt gets me tissue paper all the time

<Vyx> Just keep a wad of tissue to wipe brushes and sponges?

<debbies_diecuts> I have so much here...need to find a use for it

<cak> I'd think you'd want it wet to allow the paint to move better?

<Janet> i do tissue paper, but I spray it and then don't try to move it until it's dry

<jhone> THE PAINT MOVES BETTER AND BLENDS BETTER IF THE PAPER IS WET

<Janet> yeah, I like the feathering of it wet

<jhone> AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE IT DOES

<jhone> BESIDES IT'S MESSY AND FUN

<jhone> I COVERED MY TABLE WITH AN OLD SHOWER CURTAIN

<Janet> anything messy is fun

<jhone> THEN WHEN THE PAPER WAS DRY, IT PEELED RIGHT UP FROM THE PLASTIC

<cak> sounds like an embellishment to me

<jhone> AND THE COOKIE CRUMBS BRUSHED RIGHT OFF

<Vyx> wow, what a great use for old shower curtain.

<jhone EATS WITH ONE HAND, BRAYERS WITH THE OTHER

<debbies_diecuts> hmmm...old shower curtain...kitchen table...reminds me of my decorative painting on furniture days

<mj> *t*

<jhone> VYX, I KEEP AN OLD SHOWER CURTAIN IN MY TRUNK FOR CARRYING PLANTS HOME FROM THE NURSERY TOO

<deb> you are just way too neat

<cak> were the peelings thick enough to punch through it and get a whole punch-out?

<jhone> DEB, I HAVE NEW(TO ME) CAR

<deb> : )

<jhone> OH, THE PEELINGS WERE THE PAPER

<Janet> cak, just what I was wondering.

<Janet> oh. oh okay I get it now

<jhone> THE PAINT DIDN'T PEEL OFF THE SHOWER CURTAIN

<Janet> like when I do stuff on top of saran wrap

<jhone> IT'S still ON THE CURTAIN

<jhone> <g>

<Janet> but you got the prettiest trunk drop cloth in SC

<jhone> YEP

<deb> lol

<deb> wow - there's another idea

<deb> a new shower curtain

<deb> all painted

<cak> Oh! (I'm trying not to be too disappointed, but if it didn't stick to plastic, that wouldn't be very good, would it?

<deb> : )

<jhone> SORRY, CAK

<debbies_diecuts> how will lumiere hold up outside...what sort of sealer should I use over it

<deb> well - the Paper wouldn't stick to the plastic

<jhone> BUT NO, IT DIDN'T PEEL OFF

<deb> but the paint probably would

<jhone> DEBBIE, I DON'T KNOW YET HOW IT WILL HOLD UP

<cak> (I'll live, I'm sure)

<jhone> ASK ME IN THREE MONTHS

<deb> lol

<cak> I think I'd rather have a reliable plastic paint though

<jhone> 3 MONTHS OF SC SUN SHOULD TELL US HOW WELL IT WILL HOLD UP IN THE WEATHER

<Vyx> Eventually you'd have a pretty good coat of lumieres on that shower curtain...

<debbies_diecuts> LOL...I will do an experiment too...then we can compare notes

<jhone> IF THE MAILBOX HOLDS UP, I WANNA DO THE FRONT DOOR

<jhone> I DECIDED TO DO THE MAILBOX FIRST SINCE IT'S SMALL

<Janet> I may need to go paint mine, too. We can compare results. 3 months of summer in the Texas sun should be a definitive test

<jhone> OH, YES, JANET!

<debbies_diecuts> for real Janet

<jhone> ABSOLUTELY

<Janet> I need to get out there and clean the bird poop off first.

<Vyx> I'm not painting my mailbox with my lumieres. Birds poop all over it all the time.

<Janet> unless I want uh texture

<jhone> I'M JUST HOPING THAT MY MAILBOX WON'T GET ANY HURRICANE TESTS THIS YEAR

<deb> you painted it?

<Lory> vyx, paint a bullseye on it

<Vyx> rotf, Lory

<jhone> MAYBE THEY WON'T POOP ON IT IF YOU MAKE IT PRETTY

<Janet> birds have been stealing my blackberries from the back and then pooping them on my mailbox in the front. I think just to mess with me

<cak> lol

<deb> I want to paint my mail box

<Vyx> We have that mulberry tree out front.

<cak> at least you don't have anno's mailman to contend with

<jhone> JANET, OUR BIRDS ARE BRINGING IN DAMNED SUNFLOWER SEEDS FROM SOMEWHERE AND EATING THEM ON MY FRONT PORCH

<Lory> then its not really considered stealing janet (they are just moving them)

<jhone> LIKE A BROWN BAG LUNCH

<Janet> LOL

<cak> lol

<debbies_diecuts> my mailbox is on a tree stump out by the fence...it does not even have a flag on it anymore...

<Janet> We know how long it takes a blackberry to move through a mockingbird's digestive system. Same amount of time it takes to fly over my house

<jhone> IT'S ONE THING WHEN THEY EAT OUR STUFF, BUT WHEN THEY DON'T LIKE THE FOOD I PROVIDE AND BRING THEIR OWN, I'M INSULTED!

<Janet> LOL

<jhone> JANET, YOU NEED A LARGER HOUSE

<jhone> OH, ANYONE WANT A LUMIERES DEAL?

<debbies_diecuts> yeah

<deb> yeah

<jhone> THIS IS MY CONVENTION DEALY WITH AN EXTRA

<LLB> I do I do

<labelle> you betcha

<brenda> yessssssssssssssssssssssssssss [jhone gives us a fabulous deal on lumieres. It pays to show up for class.]

<Vyx> It's HARD choosing just 8 colors!

<jhone> OH, AND THE DEAL ON PRE-PAID ORDERS FOR THE NEW RUBBER

<cak> I agree Vyx! Vyx knows cuz she just went thru that. :)

<jhone> I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN I WILL HAVE THE NEW RUBBER

<Janet> Yeah, that's why I did the buy 18 get two free thing.

<vicki> it's even harder to pick only 2.oo worth of charms<g>

<jhone> BUT IT WILL BE HERE BY THE END OF JUNE AT THE VERY LATEST, PROBABLY EARLIER

<neetzl> What is the deal on the new rubber, please?

<jhone> IF YOU WANT TO ORDER AND PREPAY, THE SHEET WILL BE $20.00 AND I'LL SHIP IT FREE

<Janet> I had to have all the colors. I couldn't make a decision

<jhone> IT IS USUALLY $25.00

<deb> wow

<brenda> oh neato

<jhone> IF YOU WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE DEALS, BE SURE TO TELL ME THE CLASS SPECIAL AND IT'S GOOD TIL

<brenda> how do we order it?

<jhone> TIL

<jhone> UMMM

<jhone> NEXT FRIDAY

<C_Lion> 33.25 for 8 jars

<jhone> WRITE ME AT JHONE@JHONE.COM

<jhone> SEND ME MONEY

<jhone> TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT

<jhone> VOILA!

<deb> voila

<jhone> I DO MASTERCARD AND VISA, TOO

<C_Lion> paypal?

<jhone> I'M SORRY, NO PAYPAL yamamama dumps her piggy bank in jhones mail

<jhone> BUT I DO CHECKS, TOO

<deb> lol

<Janet> but you can call and sing her a song and leave your credit card number on the machine

<jhone> PUT STAMPS ON IT, YAMA

<jhone> OH, YES, YOU CAN DO THAT

<yamamama> oh,, ok

<jhone> I LOVE BEING SERENADED

<deb> lol

<brenda> no paypal

<brenda> h no

<jhone> PARTICULARLY WHEN I CAN CALL IN THE NEIGHBORS TO ENJOY IT TOO <g> Lory thinks jhone should be careful what she asks for

<cak> will you take away the special if our voice stinks?

<C_Lion> lol

<Janet> my serenade woulda been better if I didn't laugh myself silly while doing it

<deb> rofl

<jhone> NO, I WON'T TAKE IT AWAY yamamama breaks into song,, I'm on the outside looking in,,,,,,,,,,,,,

<Vyx> lol, what I was thinking

<cak> (or give us more for the entertainment value?)

<deb> what were you singing janet?

<jacat> how am i ever going to choose colors?

<Janet> I was singing her the happy birthday song the last time

<mj> what does shipping run?

<deb> lol

<jhone> JACAT, EENY, MEENY, MINY MO

<jhone> SHIPPING ON SEVEN IS $5.80

<Janet> Jacat, just get 'em all. You know you will eventually.

<mj> ok ty

<jacat> does anyone have a url for where i can find a wealthy husband?

<jhone> SHE SANG HAPPY BDAY CAUSE IT WAS MY BDAY

<cak> lol

<mj> I want that url too!!!!

<Vyx> lol!

<jhone> HAVE YOU TRIED WEALTHYHUSBAND.COM?

<keribou> jacat- ahve jhoe pick ccolors for you- she picked mine and I was very happy

<jacat> Janet, you're right - i have no restraint

<jhone> OH, KERI

<jhone> YOU'RE BAD

<jhone> I HELPED YOU PICK YOURS

<jhone> THERE'S A DIFFERENCE

<debbies_diecuts> she picked my colors too...i love em

<Janet> (Jhone always gives us the best URLs.)

<jacat> she picked your colors or your wealthy husband?

<jhone> I JUST TALKED YOU OUT OF BUYING A COUPLE THAT I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE

<Janet> (and some of us will never let her forget it)

<jhone> JANET, SPARKLE DID THAT

<brenda> never

<jhone> AND I WILL NEVER FORGET IT MYSELF

<Janet> LOL

<twodog> What 8 would you recommend to start with?

<Janet> It still cracks me up

<cak> everyone raves about the olive and the russet

<jhone> TWODOG, ARE YOU A PURPLE PERSON?

<Janet> bronze.

<jhone> OR GREEN OR BLUE?

<twodog> Yes

<jhone> START WITH ONE OF THOSE

<jhone> THEN ADD BRONZE, SUNSET GOLD,

<jhone> COPPER

<jacat> I'm a purple and red person - hate anything w/ orange

<C_Lion> I love the olive and russet

<Janet> olive and bronze and super copper

<C_Lion> lol

<twodog> ty

<debbies_diecuts> loves green and purple... :)

<jhone> I ALWAYS START EVERYONE WITH THEIR FAVORITE COLOR, THEN ANOTHER 'REGULAR' COLOR THAT GOES WITH THAT

<vicki> the purple and magenta look really good together

<jhone> THEN A FEW METALLICS

<jhone> LIKE BRONZE, COPPER, GOLD

<cak> does anyone know how these compare with the Martin's pearlescent calligraphy inks?

<vicki> yes cak

<jhone> THEY ARE MUCH RICHER AND COVER BETTER, CAK

<vicki> dr martin is ink

<cak> but similar effect? cool!

<C_Lion> much much thicker

<Janet> it's a different thing, a different base

<Janet> that's ink, this is paint.

<jhone> THE INK IS NOT INTENDED FOR FULL COVERAGE LIKE THE LUMIERES

<Janet> although if you can do calligraphy with a brush, this does a great job of it

<jhone> JANET, YOU CAN EVEN PUT THE LUMIERES IN A DIP PEN IF YOU ARE CAREFUL TO WASH IT OUT AFTERWARD

<cak> OK, now what's the difference between ink and paint? (something I've always wondered about--if you throw in dyes, I'd be a happy camper)

<Janet> I've never done that, just used it with a bamboo brush

<jhone> I CAN'T DO CALLIGRAPHY WITH A BRUSH

<twodog> How do they compare to the Pearlescent liquid acrylic?

<jhone> RICHER AND THICKER, TWODOG

<twodog> assume they are thicker from what you have said.

<jhone> AND THEY COVER WAY BETTER

<jhone> THEY AREN'T GLOPPY, THOUGH

<jhone> THEY ARE JUST FULLER BODIED (LIKE ME)

<vicki> lol

<C_Lion> ink is much thinner cak

<deb> uh yeah right

<C_Lion> and in a single coat are less opaque

<twodog> Does spritzing with alcohol give different effect?

<jhone> I DON'T KNOW, TWO DOG

<jhone> I'VE NEVER DONE THAT

<C_Lion> it is meant to be absorbed

<jhone> THESE ARE WATER BASED

<cak> but they don't usually have the same base? Or are inks like thinner gouache?

<jhone> JANET, HAVE YOU TRIED SPRITZING WITH ALCOHOL?

<C_Lion> paint lays on the surface as rule

<Janet> it spritzes. but it's similar to spritzing with water. Not like alcohol based stuff sprayed with alcohol

<twodog> ty

<jhone> K

<C_Lion> inks come in different bases just like paints

<mj> If lumiere starts to dry out, can it be rejuvenated?

<jhone> SHOULD BE ABLE TO

<mj> water or the extender do you think?

<cak> with water or acrylic medium?

<jhone> BUT IT WILL DRY DOWN TO A HARD LAYER IF YOU PUT IT ON APLATE OR PALETTE

<Scout> got to go, tiring day and can't keep eyes open

<cak> (night Scout)

<mj> ty

<C_Lion> i would use extender or medium

<Janet> it's acrylic base. so once it dries, it's dry.

<Janet> before it dries, that would help extend the drying time, yes, I'd think so

<Janet> but why? you live in the pacific northwet, don't ya?<g>

<twodog> Since you say it is a thicker acrylic, can you side load brush for shading?

<Janet> for me, extending the drying time during summer can be important

<Janet> (I do, side load the brush, works really nicely for me)

<Janet> or not, if I work fast.

<mj> I got a jar or two that had been sitting on shelf and store wouldn't take back...I'm talking about drying out in the bottle...not on paper

<Vyx> Jhone, sorry I was late... great discussion! gotta rem to get me some foam plates to work on!

<twodog> Just wondered, because I thought I read a posting that said these paints not great for detail work.

<jhone> NO PROBLEM, VYX

<Janet> I think if it's dried out in the bottle, you're outta luck.

<jhone> THE PLATES ARE FUN

<deb> they are

<cak> because they're so thick?

<deb> except do NOT

<jhone> OH> BE AWARE THERE A LITTLE BIT OF FUMES

<cak> (detail work, not plate work)

<deb> blow the heat gun on the carpet

<deb> it melts

<Janet> slice it up thin, use it as inclusions in polyclay :)

<deb> and don't ask me how I that happend

<Vyx> no carpet, Deb. LOL

<Janet> LOL Deb. I'm glad you shared that with us.

<deb> : )

<deb> I couldn't let you take all the faux paus credit janet

<Vyx> sorry... last stamp club thing I went to, the woman across from me sprayed a whole plate of ep at me with her heat gun.

<Janet> LOL

<vicki> did carpet shrink too,deb?

<deb> no it melted

<deb> I looked at carey and said - um y ou didn't see t hat

<deb> he says - i didn't?

<cak> lol

<deb> also you can bribe a 13 yr old

<Vyx> y'all have a good evening, I'm waaaay tired. G'night!

<deb> nite yvx

<jhone> TAKE CARE, VYX

<cak> (sounds like good blackmail material for carey)

<deb> err vyx

<vicki> nite vyx

<deb> lol

<deb> no I already paid him off

<Janet> I do know you can clean up minor carpet damage with cuticle scissors

<jhone> ME, TOO, JANET

<jhone> I LEARNED THAT A LONG TIME AGO

<mj> me too...night

<deb> yep that works good for paint

<Janet> major carpet damage requires a new area rug

<jhone> I'M SORRY, Y'ALL, BUT I'M WORN OUT

<vicki> nite mj

<brenda> nite jhone

<deb> nite jhone and thanks for the class

<jhone> I WORKED IN THE YARD ALL DAY

<brenda> ty for the discussion

<twodog> thanks for the class.

<jacat> thank you for all the tips and info jhone!

<cak> thanks jhone!

<Lory> night yall, i gotta go help the canes win

<debbies_diecuts> ty jhone

<vicki> thanks jhone

<labelle> thanks for the discussion

<deb> I had migraine all day

<jhone> THANKS EVERYBODY

<jenmist> TY Jhone and all

<jhone> TAKE CARE!

<Janet> Great discussion, Jhone. I love these paints!

<jenmist> great ideas

<TheMadStamper> thanks

<brenda> nite everyone

<C_Lion> I took care of all my carpet problems...I put down pergo

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