<Melissa> Hi Lynneau

<lynneau> hi - I'm from west australia....whats the time over there?

<Melissa> Ah! We're just about at 8pm here (or at least where I am here in MA)

<cak> for me it's about 7, but I'm in the Central Time Zone. It'll be 8 Eastern

<lynneau> its nearly 8:00am here ...and its Saturday!

<phyl> wow this day went fast Saturday already

<lynneau> lol

<stamperdr> ta Bibi

<Bibi> yw

<Melissa> Wow - full house tonight

<cak> all hanging on your every word!

<cak> (well, maybe every third word)

<Melissa> LOL!

<stamperdr> Hi Melissa I can't stay for the class 'cos it's 1am here and I am falling asleep....but I have a wee question to ask you if I may?

<Melissa> GO RIGHT AHEAD STAMPERDR

<stamperdr> I have made a paer mache woman's torso in two halves using a mold. What is the best way to join the two halves together?

<stamperdr> pepr

<stamperdr> paper

<stamperdr> see I am asleep

<cak> lol

<Melissa> HMM - -YOU WOULD WANT THE LEAST SEAM POSSIBLE. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A REAL LIGHT ADHESIVE

<stamperdr> I was wondering about using mulberry paper or tissue paper along the seams.....I will be painting and embellishing the torso pretty heavily eventually...

<Melissa> i WOULD THEN TRY MODGE PODGE.

<Melissa> IT WOULD WORK WELL WITH THE TISSUE/MULBERRY PAPER AND ITS NOT THICK

<stamperdr> ok......that's similar to PPA?

<Melissa> I DON'T THINK I KNOW WHAT PPA IS!?

<stamperdr> I can paint over the seam with eg Lumieres?

<Melissa> YES, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO

<stamperdr> Perfect paper adhesive......

<cak> it's a polyvinyl acrylic adhesive

<Melissa> LOL! i'VE NEVER TRIED THAT!

<Melissa> CAK - GOOD TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE

<cak> I suspect it might be bette than modge podge 'cause it won't attract moisture like MP

<cak> (don't ask me what that means though)

<stamperdr> ok well I'll have a go ...catcha all later this wee dragon's off to bed now. Many thanks Melissa...have fun folks!

<cak> night stamperdr

<Melissa> BEING MADE OF POLYVINYL I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE

<Melissa> AT LEAST IT MAKES SENSE IN MY HEAD!

<cak> whew--at least it means something to someone!

<Judy> lol, cak

<Melissa> http://www.stampfolk.com/exhibit/papermacheexhibit.htm

<stampverb> ty

<Melissa> OKAY !

<Melissa> WELL - DUE TO ADVANCED TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, I WASN'T ABLE TO UPLOAD ANY PICS THIS WEEK

<Melissa> (the entire computer died this week) I think I mentioned it was acting odd earlier in the week - - - well, its gone!

<cak> Yikes!

<Melissa> HOWEVER! I AM GOING TO GO OVER BASIC PAPER MACHE PROJECTS, IDEAS AND TIPS!

<Melissa> I KNOW - I'M ON A BORROWED LAPTOP RIGHT NOW!

<Melissa> SO!

<stampverb> goody, I am a papier mache newbie!

<Melissa> AH! NEVER STAMPED ON PAPER MACHE STAMPVERB????

<stampverb> nope

<Melissa> OKAY!

<stampverb> but don't skew the class "down" just for me

<Melissa> SO, FIRST - - PAPER MACHE IS NOW AVAILABLE IN ENDLESS FORMS.

<nancyvt> ok, i'm here! time to start, lol!

<Melissa> OF COURSE MOSTLY BOXES

<Melissa> AND PEOPLE LOVE TO CREATE BOXES - - BUT THERES SO MUCH MORE TOO

<Melissa> http://www.stampfolk.com/exhibit/papermacheexhibit.htm

<Melissa> AS STAMPERDR MENTIONED EARLIER - - PAPER MACHE TORSOS WERE A HUGE CRAZE A FEW YEARS BACK (AND STILL MAY BE TO SOME)

<Melissa> NOW - - LETS JUST START WITH ULTIMATE BASIC. AS WITH ANYTHING UNFINISHED, YOU NEED TO APPLY A LAYER OF COLOR IN SOME FORM

<Melissa> tHE MOST BASIC WAY TO START WITH COLOR IS TO BASECOAT YOUR PROJECT WITH ACRYLIC PAINT

<cak> Melissa, do you have to prepare the surface for the base coat of color?

<Melissa> NO CAK - - JUST SPONGE SOME PAINT RIGHT ON THERE

<cak> cool--thanks

<Melissa> (sorry for typing slow - keyboard is completely throwing me off!)

<Melissa> NOW OF COURSE THERE ARE TONS OF DIFFERENT PAINT MEDIUMS OUT THERE

* stampverb sends Melissa some Laptop Helper

<Melissa> THANKS VERB - MUCH NEEDED!

<stampverb> lol

<Melissa> SO NOW YOU HAVE YOUR BASE COLOR AND ARE READY TO BUILD THIS BABY UP

<Melissa> NOW - - HERE ARE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT BACKGROUND TECHNIQUES TO PLAY WITH ON YOUR PAPERMACHE

<Melissa> REMEMBER, ITS JUST LIKE STAMPING ON PAPER - JUST 3 DIMENSIONAL!!

<Melissa> THE BOOK BOX W/ CROW SHOWN ON THE WEBPAGE HAS A NEAT TECHNIQUE

<Melissa> I PAINTED THE BOX WITH A NEUTRAL COLOR AND THEN APPLIED AN ACRYLIC STAIN

<Melissa> IT GAVE THE BOOKBOX AN AGED LOOK BECAUSE OF THE "GRAIN" OF THE PAPERMACHE

<Melissa> YOU CAN ALSO STIPPLE THE BOX, EMBOSS ON IT, ETC.

<stampverb> I was wondering how you did that aging effect

<stampverb> any special ink/dye over the acrylic background?

<Melissa> THE ACTUAL IMAGE I EMBOSSED AND USUALLY LIKE TO (AGAIN IT ADDS TEXTURE)

<Melissa> NOW STAMPING ON THE PAPER MACHE IS A BIT TRICKY.

<Melissa> yOU NEED TO APPLY AS MUCH EVEN PRESSURE AS YOU CAN TO GET A COMPLETE IMAGE

<Melissa> THIS CAN BE HARD ON ROUNDED PAPER MACHE ITEMS (LIKE THE EGGS)

<Melissa> ON BOX COVERS - YOU NEED TO CONSIDER THAT THE COVER IS SOMEWHAT HOLLOW LIKE

<Melissa> SO WHEN STAMPING ON COVERS, IT HELPS TO APPLY PRESSURE FROM DIRECTLY BELOW

<Melissa> NOW - - IF YOU'RE NOT EMBOSSING, THEN ITS BEST TO USE SOME TYPE OF PERMANENT INK

<Melissa> PIGMENT/ FABRICO/ HEATSET TYPE

<Melissa> AND SET IT.

<cak> Would it work to bring the surface to the stamp instead of the stamp to the surface?

<Melissa> ON ROUNDED ITEMS CAK, I SORT OF STAMP MID AIR - - BRINGING THE STAMP TO THE SURFACE AND VICE VERSA

<cak> gotcha

<Melissa> ON THE COVER THOUGH, YOU ARE USUALLY AIMING FOR A CERTAIN SPOT AND IF YOUR BRING THE SURFACE TO THE STAMP - - WELL, I'M NOT THAT GOOD AN AIM

<cak> LOL--me neither. I forgot about the surface being opaque!

<Melissa> NOW - IF YOU'RE STAMPIGN A BOLD IMAGE, THEN YOURE STAMPIGN PROJECT IS EASY. IF YOU'RE ADDING AN OPEN IMAGE - THEN YOU NEED TO APPLY COLOR IN SOME WAY!

<Melissa> MARKERS ARE OF COURSE THE EASIEST/QUICKEST WAY TO APPLY COLOR

<Melissa> AGAIN - PIGMENT/FABRICO IS BEST

<Melissa> I'VE FOUND THAT BASIC DYE MARKERS DON'T ADHERE TO THE SURFACE AND RUB OFF (figured that out the hard way - finished a great project and wore half of it!)

<cak> ack

<Melissa> I ALSO LIKE TO ADD COLOR WITH RADIANT PEARLS.

<Melissa> I LOVE THE GLIMMER OF THOSE!

<Melissa> USUALLY AFTER PAINTING WITH THE PEARLS I COAT WITH CLEAR EP - - AGAIN VERY SIMILAR TO PAPER PROEJCTS

<Melissa> AND OF COURSE, LAYERS ON LAYERS OF CARDSTOCK/FABRIC/EMBELLISHMENTS, ETC ARE ALWAYS FUN

<stampverb> ...depending on flat vs, curved surface, right?

<Melissa> TRUE STAMPVERB

<stampverb> so, the box with its lid ajar was done with markers?

<FrancesWV> I'm so sorry to be late. Is there an url I can see?

<stampverb> and the green one with pink flowers was done with a stamp pad?

<Melissa> EXACTLY STAMPVERB

<Melissa> DON'T BE SORRY FRANCES!

<Melissa> http://www.stampfolk.com/exhibit/papermacheexhibit.htm

<FrancesWV> Thanks Melissa

<Melissa> I APOLOGIZE FRANCES, I DID ABOUT 5 MORE COOL PROJECTS FOR THE CLASS AND HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET THEM ON THE WEB

<stampverb> is there any way to a really even image using stamp pad and bold or bold-ish image?

<Melissa> I DID THE CUTEST HALLOWEEN BOX. IT IS A STAR BOX PAINTED GOLD.

<Melissa> i STIPPLED IT DARK BORWN

<Melissa> THEN STAMPED A CUTE LITTLE WITCH

<FrancesWV> I love the book! I need to get some of the book boxes.

<stampverb> I am too impatient to use markers!

<Melissa> COLORED HER AND ADDED A RUSTY STAR

<FrancesWV> That sounds so cute!

<Melissa> STAMPVERB - THE KEY IS APPLYING EVEN PRESSURE

<Melissa> SO SAY THE EGG FOR EXAMPLE - - YOU NEED TO SORT OF ROLL THE EGG ONTO THE STAMP OR VICE VERSA

<Melissa> EVEN PRESSURE THOUGH

<FrancesWV> I just love the paper mache projects. They are inexpensive to make and never break.

<stampverb> by sorta rolling the stamp against the surface"

<Melissa> YOU SAID IT FRANCES

<FrancesWV> With three kids in the house, I know all about what won't break and what will.

<Melissa> THE COOLEST NEW THING I NOW HAVE IS PAPER MACHE SLATES

<FrancesWV> I was wondering about those

<FrancesWV> I can't really see them well on the website, but they sound really neat.

<stampverb> slates?

<Melissa> TOTALLY STAMPVERB. SOMETIMES ITS GOOD TO HAVE TWO OF THE SAME ITEM TO START OUT. LIKE SAY 2 EGGS. THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE HOW EXACTLY TO GET THE IMAGE YOU WANT

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<Melissa> THEY ARE CHARCOAL GRAY AND MADE OUT OF PAPER MACHE, YET THEY HAVE A VERY LIGHT RESIN SURFACE TO THEM

<FrancesWV> So they LOOK just like real slate, but much lighter in weight?

<Melissa> tHEY ARE A PRETTY CONVINCING PIECE. YES - VERY LIGHTWEIGHT

<FrancesWV> That sounds like just what I would need.

<Melissa> AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HANGING THEM AND SCRATCHING YOUR WALL

<FrancesWV> So true

* stampverb scurries off to your web site

<Melissa> ON THE SLATE - I HAVE ONLY TRIED ONE SO FAR

<FrancesWV> I could see painting them with a chalk paint and using one as a real slate

<Melissa> STAMPVERB HERE ARE THE SLATES: http://www.stampfolk.com/supplies/papermache.htm

<FrancesWV> Decorate the edges with stamps, and it would be a great gift for teachers

<Melissa> OH THAT'S A TRULY NEAT IDEA FRANCES!

<FrancesWV> Using white ink or paint for the stamped images on the edges

<Melissa> I EMBOSSED ON MINE WITH WHITE EP

<FrancesWV> Maybe some ABCs and apples?

<Melissa> AND THEN PAINTED IN THE IMAGE ACRYLIC PAINTS

<FrancesWV> That would be so stunning , with the white embossing on the dark slate.

<Melissa> I HAVE BIG PLANS FOR THE SLATES. TIME IS MY BIGGEST ENEMY!! I ALWAYS RUN OUT!

<FrancesWV> My ideas run way faster than my hands ever could

<Melissa> I ALSO LIKE THE PAPER MACH MAILBOXES

<Melissa> THEY ARE QUITE ADORABLE. I DID A VALENTINE CLASS HERE LOCALLY FOR A "MOMS" GROUP

<stampverb> I see you have specials!

<FrancesWV> Gotta love the specials!

<Melissa> WE MADE MAILBOXES WITH A VALENTINE IN IT FOR A GIFT

<Melissa> LOL!! YES - PAPER MACHE IS 25% OFF

<Melissa> THIS WEEK

<Melissa> AND FREE SHIPPING

<FrancesWV> That would be great for the kids to collect their valentines in

<cak> I was just looking at those mailboxes and thinking "TTPO"

<coolbana> url?

<Melissa> CAN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THAT

<Melissa> http://www.stampfolk.com/supplies/papermache.htm

<coolbana> can we still TTPO? I thought they cracked down on that after 9/11

<cak> did they?

<FrancesWV> What is TTPO? Sounds like a robot from the Star Wars series.LOL

<Melissa> THERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF APPLYING EVEN PRESSURE - - ON THE MAILBOXES, YOU NEED TO INSERT YOUR HAND IN THE BOX AND APPLY PRESSURE FROM THE INSIDE TO WHERE YOU'RE STAMPING OUTSIDE

<cak> I hope not. (but wouldn't be surprised)

<Melissa> DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

<coolbana> tourment the post office

<cak> it does Melissa

<coolbana> it's sending unwrapped, labeled things through the mail

<Melissa> LOL! I NEVER GOT INTO A TTPO BUT HAD A BLAST HEARING ALL THE STORIES!

<stampverb> tickle the Post Office?

<coolbana> an old baby doll with the address on her but

<FrancesWV> Oh, thanks coolbana

<coolbana> Torment, tickle, torture, trick,

<stampverb> I used to send weird stuff to my kids when they went away to college -- early TTPO, I guess

<Melissa> OH - THAT'S ANOTHER COOL FINSIH THAT LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER MACHE PROJECTS - - CRACKLE FINISH

<stampverb> I am still hung up on evenly-inked images -- is there any way to get stamp-pad type images to look as smooth and even as the open-egg example (which you did with markers)?

<FrancesWV> I can see the book boxes making some nice jewelry boxes too.

<FrancesWV> Stampverb, I would imagine that smaller stamps would work good for this.

<Melissa> IT SHOULD BE PRETTY SMOOTH VERB. THE PAPER MACHE IS A REAL SMOOTH SURFACE, NOT VERY POUROUS AND AFTER YOU'VE APPLIED PAINT (1 OR 2 COATS) YOU'VE GIVEN IT EVEN MORE SMOOTHNESS

<FrancesWV> Easier to roll and apply the correct pressure.

<stampverb> ok, Frances, ty

<coolbana> could you stamp on tissue and decopage it onto the uneven suface?

<Melissa> LIKE I HAVE A SLATE RIGHT HERE IN MY HOT LITTLE HANDS - - NO POURS

<CindyC> that's what i thought coolbana

<Melissa> AND I STAMPED A PAPER MACHE PLATE THE OTHER DAY AND USED WHITE ACRYLIC PAINT - RED FABRICO INK PAD, SOLID IMAGE

<Melissa> THE IMAGE STAMPED FINE. A FEW MISSED SPOTS BUT THAT WAS BECAUSE I WAS RUSHING

<FrancesWV> Can you use dye inks, Melissa?

<FrancesWV> Or will they spread out and look bad?

<Melissa> FRANCES - THEY DON'T STAY VERY WELL. IF YOU ALLOW THEM TO COMPLETELY DRY AND THEN SEAL THEM - YES. SOME OF THE MARKER COLORS ON THE EGG BOX ARE DYE MARKERS. I LIKED THE COLOR AND DIDN'T HAVE THEM IN PIGMENT, SO I USED THE DYE, BUT I SPRAYED THE EGG WHEN I WAS DONE

<FrancesWV> If you could use dye inks, you could use the Adirondack pads, then touch up with the Adirondack pens.

<Melissa> I DON'T HAVE THE PLATES UP YET AT THE SITE. I JUST GOT THOSE IN THE OTHER DAY AND MY SUPPLIER ONLY SENT 3 (so we'll ahve to wait for those!)

<Judy> good idea, Frances

<Melissa> GOOD POINT FRANCES. I LIKE ADIRONDACK COLORS

<Melissa> I ALWAYS SWEAR BY FABRICO PADS THOUGH. I LIKE THE FOAM INK PADS., LOVE THE MARKERS, AND YOU CAN USE THEM ON JUST ABOUT ANYTHING

<FrancesWV> It would be nice if all ink manufacturers made coordinating markers to go with their pads.

<FrancesWV> What kind of markers are you using Melissa?

<coolbana> FrancesWV, what about those thingys that you can pick up the ink from the pad with and use as markers?

<Melissa> LOL! I AM GETTING TO REALLY LIKE MARVY MARKERS - THEY'RE SUPER JUICY. BUT I ALWAYS GET THE MOST USE OUT OF MY FABRICO MARKERS BECAUSE I TEND TO STAMP ON NON PAPER STUFF

<Melissa> A BLENDER!

<coolbana> no, theyre dry, you use them to pick up ink only

<FrancesWV> I didn't know Fabrico even had markers! So much to buy and so little money!

<Melissa> A NIB - - OR WHAT ARE THOSE THINGS CALLED

<Melissa> ITS ON THE TIP OF MY TONGUE

<coolbana> somebody has to know what I'm talking about

<coolbana> LOL, of course I don't :P

<FrancesWV> Foam thingies?

<FrancesWV> For stenciling?

<coolbana> shaped like a pencil

<coolbana> white

<cak> used to blend charcoals also?

<coolbana> like those, but for ink

<cak> I know what you mean. All I can come up with is torque or screw!!

<deb> a blender stub?

<FrancesWV> Are they made by Ranger?

<coolbana> brb, I gotta run to my stamp room and see if I can find one

<cak> lol--gotta get that closure

<FrancesWV> They have some kind of little pencil thingies that are just like the Cut n Dry pads.

<Melissa> YES - CUT N DRY NIBS. OR AT LEAST THAT'S RANGER'S VERSION OF THEM

<Judy> yes - can't think of the name either

<FrancesWV> That's it Melissa!

<coolbana> is called fantastix, by Tsukineko

<Judy> ah, another one!

<Melissa> THATS IT COOLBANA

<coolbana> same thing only different :)

* coolbana is breathless from running to the basement and back

<Melissa> ANOTHER THING I'VE DONE ON A BOX TOP IS THE UTEE LOOK

<coolbana> before the bushdog could get into trouble

<coolbana> pretty

<Melissa> WHERE YOU APPLY MULTIPLE LAYERS OF UTEE AND THEN STAMP INTO IT

<Melissa> WORKS GREAT

<Melissa> I DON'T HOWEVER, HAVE GREAT RESULTS WHEN TRYING MY FAUX PUNCHED TIN PROJECT ON A PAPER MACHE ITEM.

<FrancesWV> Did anyone see Carol Duvall today at 2:00? It was a repeat, but she did a segment on decorating paper mache boxes.

<Melissa> CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHY - JUST DOESN'T WORK WELL WITH PAPER MACHE.

<Melissa> NO KIDDING FRANCES - - I MISSED IT

<Judy> I did Frances - actually had that class in San Diego last year

<Judy> so I have one of those boxes!

<FrancesWV> The lady stamped dominoes, bamboo skewers, and stippled papers and added ephemera to the box.

<FrancesWV> Very beautiful!

<FrancesWV> I love how she stamped the skewers for embellishment.

<Judy> not hard to do either

<FrancesWV> You are so lucky Judy. I would love to attend a class like that.

<FrancesWV> It's really amazing how you can create something so beautiful out of such simple supplies.

<Judy> Leila lives in San Diego and teaches at a couple of stamp stores

<FrancesWV> She is quick on the tv to get it all done in time too!

<Melissa> I WISHED I CAUGHT THAT ONE

<stampverb> thanks again for the class, Melissa

<FrancesWV> It was on not too long ago, Melissa. Then it was on again today. Go check out the hgtv website to see what they did.

<Melissa> THANKS FRANCES!

<Melissa> THANKS EVERYONE! AGAIN -A POLOGIES FOR THE TECHINICAL DIFFICULTIES!

<Judy> thanks for class, Melissa

<deb> Thanks Melissa

<Melissa> JEN IS UP NEXT IN #craftclass

<FrancesWV> Thanks for the class and wonderful samples, Melissa.

<deb> next event is in #craftclass

<stampverb> also, regular weekly carving chat in #eraser

<cak> Yes, thank you Melissa! I've not done anything with the paper mache objects, so now I feel like I've got a good chance at succeeding with them

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