<Tarotmama> THIS IS ANOTHER PARTICIPATION CLASS

<Tarotmama> LOL JAM

<Tarotmama> LICK YR FINGERS

<Tarotmama> WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS A COUPLE OF CONVENTIONS AGO

<Judy> soup, cornbread, caramel corn, caramel apples - all sticky!

<Tarotmama> HOW TO BRING PLAY BACK INTO OUR WORK

<fab> This better be play. When I work I get paid.

<Tarotmama> ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE NOTICED OVER THE YEARS

<Tarotmama> IS THAT MOST OF US TAKE OUR STAMPING VERY VERY SERIOUSLY

<Tarotmama> HAVE YOU NOTICED THIS IN YOURSELF?

<BlackCats> yes

<Tarotmama> YOU CAN TALK BY THE WAY

<BlackCats> I tend to make a lot of kindling

<Regina> have to take it serious--fortune tied up in r/s & stuff

<fab> lol

<BlackCats> trying to get it just right

<Judy> lol, Monica

<Tarotmama> WHAT DO YOU MEAN KINDLING?

<BlackCats> fortunately, we heat with wood so it gets used

<fab> I tell people there is no right or wrong

<BlackCats> scrap paper to start fires

<Tarotmama> OK

<BlackCats> keep a bucket under my table

<Tarotmama> SO HOW ABOUT THIS

<Tarotmama> DECIDE TO MAKE A LOT OF SCRAP ON PURPOSE

<Judy> if I make a mistake on something, I usually make a worse mistake on it later

<mskitty37> Hi all, so what are we gonna learn today?

* Jambalaya hands BlackCats a newspaper and graps the good scrap paper

<Judy> it's like the first one throws me off or something

<BlackCats> lol

<BlackCats> hi, kitty

<Tarotmama> OK

<BlackCats> this is a discussion class

<Tarotmama> SO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT

<mskitty37> Hi BlackCats, oh okay

<Tarotmama> IS HOW TO TAKE OFF THE PRESSURE TO BE PERFECT

<Tarotmama> AND HAVE FUN

<Tarotmama> AND PLAY

<fab> Sometimes our mistakes can be turned into "happy accidents"

<Sprout> Amen to that

<Vincentia> haven't made anything that I haven't messed up yet

<Regina> i save all flubs for later...

<Tarotmama> FAB, I'M ACTUALLY SUGGESTING SOMETHING ELSE

<mskitty37> I find someone more unperfect then me, then I don't feel as bad

<Sprout> I made a sign for over my desk. Is says there are no mistakes...just creative challenges.

<mskitty37> sometimes that takes some doing....lol

<Tarotmama> OK GOOD

<BlackCats> lol

<Tarotmama> BUT I AM GOING TO SUGGEST SOMETHING ELSE

<fab> good

<BlackCats> yes?

<mskitty37> I'm ready to listen

<mskitty37> :o)

<Tarotmama> I'M SUGGESTING SETTING UP PLAYTIME

<Tarotmama> WHERE YOU ARE NOT DOING A PROJECT

<Tarotmama> JUST PLAYING WITH YOUR STUFF

<BlackCats> oooh

<judy_e> I feel like I have to make it perfect to send out a card.

<Sprout> And invite a friend.

<Tarotmama> AND LEARNING WHILE YOU PLAY

<Tarotmama> SUREI

<Wanda> those are the best times!!

<Tarotmama> NVITE SOME KIDS

<BlackCats> just grabbing stuff and letting er rip

<fab> I do that with new mediums

<Tarotmama> OR BVE YOUR WON FRIEND AND PLAY WITH YOURSELF

<fab> That sound risque

<Sprout> Grab some stuff and play What If or I wonder what would happen if

<Tarotmama> FIND PAPER YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT

<Tarotmama> AND PLAY WITH NEW STUFF

<Tarotmama> AND OLD STUFF

<fab> The things you bought and never used!

<Tarotmama> EXACTLY

<Tarotmama> I HAVE A BOX

<Tarotmama> THAT ALL STUFF GOES INTO

<Sprout> And things you got tired of and put away

<Tarotmama> BEFORE IT MAKES IT TO THE SHELVES NOW

<fab> I would need a very large box

<Tarotmama> I HAVE TO PLAY WITH IT ONCE

<Tarotmama> OR SELL IT IF IT'S THERE FOR MOTE THAN 6 MONTHS

<Tarotmama> IT REALLY HELPS TO DO THAT

<Wanda> oh no!!!

<AndreaFL> I think we are all stunned at that last one

<Tarotmama> AND

<fab> I need to do this with by Perfect Pearls

<Tarotmama> I ALSO HAVE TO TAKE STUFF DOWN AND PLAY WITH IT EVERYONCE IN A WHILE OR SHARE IT WITH OTHERS

<Sprout> I ahve a box of left over pieces of paper and on a rainy afternoon will see how many cards or projects I can make just to use up the box.

<fab> Use it or lose it

<Tarotmama> FAB, DO IT WITH EFVFERYTHING

<mskitty37> Yeah Tar, even hubby......lol

<Regina> lol

<fab> lol

<Tarotmama> I NOTICE THAT OFTEN PEOPLE SPEND A GOOD DEAL OF TIME ASKING TEACHERS WHICH INK THEY USED

<Tarotmama> AND HOW THEY USED IT

<fab> true

<Tarotmama> HOW ABOUT PLAYING WITH IT INSTEAD

<fab> especially since the newer inks came out

<Tarotmama> EVERY NEW TECHNIQUE WAS BECAUSE SOMEONE DIDN'T ASK HOW

<Tarotmama> FAB EVEN WITH THE OLD INKS

<Vincentia> I stink at ink

<Tarotmama> WE TEND TO THINK WE KNOW HOW THINGS WORK

<Tarotmama> BUT WE DON'T

<fab> Used to be it was mostly just dye or pigment.

<Tarotmama> I'VE LEARNED FROM JAMBALAYA THAT INKS STINK

<fab> then fabric and permanent

<Tarotmama> I PLAY WITH PAINTS

<Jambalaya> lol

<Tarotmama> I PLAY WITH WATERCOLORS

<Tarotmama> WITH CRAYONS

<Vyx> Yeah, you get new stuff trying techniques out with "not quite the right stuff"

<Tarotmama> ZACTLY VYX

<Tarotmama> AND EVERYTHING YOU THINK YOU KNOW HAS AN EXCEPTION

<Tarotmama> FIND IT

<Tarotmama> AND HAVE FUN DOING IT

<Tarotmama> WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SPREAD OUT PAPER AND PAINTS AND PLAYED WITH YR FINGERS?

<Tarotmama> OR WITH KITCHEN TOOLS

<Tarotmama> ADDED GLYCERIN TO THINGS AND PLAYED?

<Jambalaya> and later? never admit you found it by accident or it was a mistake, you MEANT to do that!

<Tarotmama> OR VEGGIE OIL

<Tarotmama> (MY LATEST MEDIUM)

<Tarotmama> LOL JAM

<Tarotmama> NEVER TAKE BLAME WHEN YOU CAN TAKE CREDIT

<fab> What are you doing with oil?

<mskitty37> So what do you do with oil???

<Tarotmama> PLAYING

<fab> Just oil or adding things????

<Tarotmama> IT'S WILD WITH ALCOHOL AND PAINT

<judy_e> what do you mix with oil?

<Tarotmama> OK

<Tarotmama> GET SOME OIL

<AndreaFL> if she tells you, then you aren't playing...LOL

<Tarotmama> SOME WATER

<mskitty37> What kind of paper do you use it on

<Tarotmama> PAINTS

<Tarotmama> GLYCERIN

<fab> Acrylic or watercolor

<Tarotmama> PAPER

<Tarotmama> AND PLAY

<Tarotmama> FAB!!!

<Tarotmama> THIS IS THE POINT

<Tarotmama> KITTY, WHAT PAPER YOU GOT?

<fab> Well, I have some strange paints.....

<mskitty37> Does it dry?

<Tarotmama> KITTY, FIND OUT

<Tarotmama> LOL

<mskitty37> I have most all kinds, watercolor, shiny, matt. etc

<Tarotmama> HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A 7 YR OLD WORRY ABOUT IF IT DRIES?

<fab> I'm also willing to learn from the mistakes of others

<Tarotmama> WHAT MISTAKES?

<mskitty37> I just wondered if your's dried.

<fab> fLike trying to use acrylic over oil paint.

<mskitty37> Oil seems like it would stay wet and smear

<Vincentia> kids are great, they try and like everything, don't have limits like adults

<Tarotmama> EXACTLY VINCENTIA

<Tarotmama> DURING MY PLAYTIMES I TRY STUFF

<Tarotmama> TO SEE WHAT IT DOES

<fab> oil wil stick over acyrilic but not the other way around.

<Tarotmama> AND HAVE A GREAT TIME DOING IT

<Tarotmama> MAYBE FAB

<Tarotmama> MAYBE IT WILL

<Tarotmama> MAYBE IT WON'T

<Tarotmama> AND IF IT DOESN'T IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE YOU CAN DO THAT MAKES IT WORK FOR YOU?

<fab> OK, I'm getting your point

<Regina> blot it off and see what's left on yur paper

<Tarotmama> CAN YOU ADD, SAY, FLOUR TO IT?

<Tarotmama> OR CORNSTARCH?

<Tarotmama> OR MICA?

<Tarotmama> AND CLEAN YR HANDS WITH BABYWIPES

<AndreaFL> I have found that iI'll remember what I mixed if introduce only a few elements at a time

<Tarotmama> AND USE THEM FOR BACKGROUNDS LATER?

<Tarotmama> GO ON ANDREA

<Tarotmama> SAY MORE

<AndreaFL> in case I want to reproduce the effect again

<fab> Yes, all leftovers are future backgrounds or pieces to cut up for maosaics

<Vincentia> ok time to go play with my new`medium...... breastmilk.... LOL

<fab> lol

<Tarotmama> LOL

<Vincentia> see ya later all !!!

<Tarotmama> SO

<Tarotmama> HOW MANY TIMES A WEEK CAN YOU SET ASIDE A TIME TO PLAY?

<Regina> one

<fab> Not as much as I might like.

<Tarotmama> i'M REALLY ASKING EACH OF YOU

<Tarotmama> OK, REGINA = 1

<Tarotmama> HOW LONG REGINA?

<Regina> couple of hrs

<fab> That's what I did with the mystery stamp for about an hour.

<Tarotmama> AND FOR HOW MANY WEEKS?

<Wanda> If I don't agree to teach and don't join any swaps I could find time :-)

<Tarotmama> WANDA, CAN YOU FIND 15 MINUTES ONCE A WEEK?

<Wanda> otherwise it really varies

<Regina> until i get tired of playing with all this stuff

<judy_e> every evening I try something

<Tarotmama> OK JUDY

<StayC> I really some ideas on how to find time during a week to play.....so I'm allll ears

<Wanda> probably

<Wanda> oh, and I could stay off the computer and play :-)

<Tarotmama> UMM PROBABLY WILL PROBABLY FAIL

<fab> I wish I had a place where I could leave a mess out.

<Regina> like I still need to fiddle with my halloween cards sometime tonite

<Tarotmama> I THINK MOST OF US HAVE TO MAKE OURSELVES A COMMITMENT

<Tarotmama> REGINA, THAT'S APROJECT, THO

<Wanda> me too, fab, I have the kitchen counter and it has to be cleaned up when I'm done

<Regina> yeah...'puter eats time

<Tarotmama> THIS IS PLAYTIME

<Tarotmama> OK

<Tarotmama> SO FOR MESSES

<fab> Puter eats my time too.

<Tarotmama> HEWRE IS AN IDEA

<Regina> Oh--but I'm experimenting with new stuff

<Tarotmama> HOLD ON

<Tarotmama> HERE'S ONE IDEA

<Tarotmama> GET A MESS BOX

<Tarotmama> A BIG CARDBOARD BOX THAT HAS A LID

<Tarotmama> IN IT IS A LARGE PLASTIC BAG

<Tarotmama> AND SOME NEWSPAPER

<Tarotmama> YOU LAY THAT OUT

<Tarotmama> AND PLAY WITH STUFF

<Tarotmama> AND ROLL IT UP AND PUT BACK INTOT HE BOX AFTER

<Tarotmama> THEN, YOU CAN BRING OUT AGAIN LATER

<Tarotmama> AND NO MESSY COUNTER

<Tarotmama> OR TABLE

<Tarotmama> WHAT DO YOU THINK?

<Lindy> kind of like a puzzle keeper?

<Regina> good idea

<fab> I find that if I can get to my Monday morning greeting card workshop early, before the others come, I can experiment there.

<Tarotmama> OK, LE3T ME SUGGEST THIS AGAIN

<Lindy> this is new to me.....what are we doing?

<Tarotmama> PLAYTIME IS NOT THE TIME YOU WANT TO COMPLETE ANY PROJECTS

<fab> We have a room at the clubhouse to use one morning a week. So I make the mess there.

<Tarotmama> OK, GOOD

<cak> Lindy, this is a discussion class led by Tarotmama, on bringing play back into our stamping

<Tarotmama> SO FAB, YOU WILL TRY TO GET TO MONDAY PLAY EARLY

<fab> Yes, that works for me.

<Tarotmama> COOL

<Tarotmama> EVERYONE WILL PLAY DIFFERENTLY

<fab> That was when I played with the twinkling H2Os

<Tarotmama> YOU GOTTA FIND WHAT'S FUN AND RELAXING FOR you

<fab> last week

<Tarotmama> UMM

<fab> I find all stamping does that for me.

<Tarotmama> HOW ABOUT SRPOUT?

<Tarotmama> LOL

<Tarotmama> THEY ARE LEAVING FAST

<Regina> going to play

<cak> one of my blocks is feeling like I have to have a big block of time to experiment (even though I really don't)

<Tarotmama> KY?

<Tarotmama> AHH CAK

<Wanda> i struggle with that too cak

<fab> I'm not too worried about perfect. I'm not selling the cards.

<Tarotmama> OK, SO IT FEEL SLIKE IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME WHY START?

<StayC> I think I used to struggle with that, too...

<MonkeyMom> I struggle with finding the privacy to play

<Tarotmama> HOW DID YOU STOP STAYC?

<cak> exactly

<Tarotmama> OK

<Jambalaya> good to find out others have the same thoughts, isn't it?

<Tarotmama> GOT A SUGGESTION..

<StayC> I don't seem to have the time to even struggle with it any more...just no stamping at all

<Tarotmama> DO YOU HAVE A BATHROOM WITH A LOCK?

<cak> lol, that's what I was thinking!

<MonkeyMom> LOL

<Tarotmama> OK

<Tarotmama> TAKE A TV TRAY AND PLAY IN THERE

<Tarotmama> OR..

<Jambalaya> lock the dh and kiddies in the bathroom, and spread out and play<g>

<Regina> hey,hello MM

<Tarotmama> SET YRSELF UP IN THE BATHTUB

<fab> Sometimes I play with my food. Does that count?

<Tarotmama> LOL JAM

<MonkeyMom> Hi Regina

<Tarotmama> MM, HOW ABOUT YOU?

<MonkeyMom> My 3 children are born to craft

<Tarotmama> WHAT WOULD BE PLAYING FOR YOU?

<MonkeyMom> HMMMM

<cak> something that I think will help me is deciding, say the night before, what I want to play with so i don't waste time dithering

<Regina> what about your monkeys?

<MonkeyMom> They always play

<Tarotmama> OK MM, SO HOW ABOUT YOU?

<Regina> dithering is playing

<Tarotmama> CAN YOU PLAY WITH THEM?

<MonkeyMom> I think playing for me would be cut and paste with no purpose

<Tarotmama> OR SET UP A TIME FOR YOU TO PLAY?

<Tarotmama> OK MM

<Tarotmama> THAT'S A START

<MonkeyMom> They're still very young, 2,6, and 10

<Tarotmama> MM DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU BOUGHT IN THE LAST 2 MOTNSH YOU HAVEN'T USED?

<Tarotmama> MONTHS

<MonkeyMom> I had a bout of unintentional play though

<Vyx> give kidlets all your old seed catalogs and some paste and plain paper/cardstock. Oh, and scissors.

<Tarotmama> VYX, WHY NOT DO THAT YOURSELF?

<Tarotmama> WHY THE DIDDIES?

<Tarotmama> KIDDIES

<MonkeyMom> I painted a silk scarf and layed it out in my BR to dry, then I heard someone shout "it's GORGEOUS"

<Tarotmama> OK

<Tarotmama> GO ON

<StayC> what did you paint the scarf with MM??

<AndreaFL> that was me, MM....LOL

<MonkeyMom> the 2 year old had found the only bottle of dye that didn't get put away and squirted it all over

<MonkeyMom> DYE-NA-FLO

<Tarotmama> OK

<Regina> all right!

<MonkeyMom> I've decided to use it to make my first spirit doll.

<Tarotmama> NEAT

<MonkeyMom> Can't waste it

<AndreaFL> That's the spirit, MM

<Tarotmama> CAK, HOW MANY THINGS CAN YOU PLAY WITH AT A TIME?

<Vyx> Isis, because I did that as a kid, and it's now why I don't do collage. I got into a lot of trouble, lol.

<Tarotmama> PICK A NUMBER

<cak> 2 at mist

<Regina> 5

<cak> most

<Tarotmama> OK

<StayC> 12

<Tarotmama> SO GO INTO YR CRAFT SUPPLIES AND BLINDLY PIC 2 THINGS TO PLAY WITH

<Tarotmama> JUST TRY DOING TI A COUPLE OF TIMES

<Tarotmama> PICK STUFF BLINDLY

<fab> Have a "punching"party with the kids and let them assemble all the pieces into designs.

<Tarotmama> AND PUT THEM OUT TO PLAY WITH

<cak> gotta *find* the craftroom first!

<Tarotmama> OK

<Judy> lol, cak

<Vyx> lol, gotta undig the desk

<Tarotmama> CAK, SART AT THE DOOR

<Tarotmama> START

<StayC> that's the problem I have right now, too Cak

<Tarotmama> PUT YR HAND INTO THE MESS

<Tarotmama> AND GRAB STUFF

<Tarotmama> YOU AIN'T GOT A PROBLEM THEN

<cak> actually that's kind of energizing for me--handling the new goodies (or old new goodies)

<Tarotmama> COOL

<Tarotmama> MOSTLY WE HAVE TO DO IT FOLKS

<anno> monkeymom, you really oughta make something for that child's dollbaby out of a bit of that gorgeous scarf. :)

<StayC> for those of you that do play/stamp a few times a week....when do you do it?

<Tarotmama> IF YOU ARE LIKE ME YOU SPEND MORE TIME READING ABOUT A PROJECT THAN DOING IT

<MonkeyMom> Yes, I should

<StayC> do you work also?

<MonkeyMom> And put a bit in her scrap book

<cak> (I was thinkin' voodoo doll of kiddo)

<anno> yes. :)

<MonkeyMom> LOL

<anno> or a hairbow or something. :)

<anno> hehe.. I wasn't sure she was a girl, at first. :)

<MonkeyMom> She's a total diva

<Vyx> I work. I go in when I can... sometimes right after work, sometimes when it's really bed time for me.

<StayC> I just don't know when to fit it in....work/dinner/cleanup/kids/hubby......and I have to do all of that between 5pm and 9 pm

<MonkeyMom> I sneak out to the garage in the middle of the night sometimes

<fab> I spend more time shopping for supplies than working

<Tarotmama> FAB, ME TOO

<Regina> me, too

<Tarotmama> THAT'S WHY I BEGAN SAYING IT DOESN'T STAY IF i DON'T PLAY

<MonkeyMom> not so much for me

<Tarotmama> WITH IT

<Vyx> StayC, aren't your kids old enough to be doing stuff like helping with dinner and cleanup?

<StayC> Vyx...when you play at bedtime....do you play a longtime???

<fab> Thats why we have so much stuff. Now I need to start using it up

<AndreaFL> right now it's time for me to go play with MIL's dentures and FIL's support hose..I'll seeyou all back a little later

<Tarotmama> GOOD FAB

<Tarotmama> NOW YOU HAVE THE IDEA

<Vyx> No, I still gotta get to bed by midnight. I can barely survive just 5 hours sleep, so I don't do that often.

<StayC> yes...they are old enough.....but.....it doesn't happen often

<Tarotmama> I THINK WE CAN ORGANIZE YOU STAYC

<Vyx> Who is the Mom? You are.

<Tarotmama> WAIT VYX

<Tarotmama> HOLD ON

<Vyx> okay, me shuts up...

<fab> A wise lady once told me to always go to bed the day before you have to get up.

<Tarotmama> AL WE CAN DO IS SUGGEST

<StayC> sounds good to me Tarotmama

<anno> heck.. I had 2 17.5yo boys in my house this afternoon and I still had to wait for my husband to get home to liberate the lizard I had caught under a tupperware in the mudroom. :)

<anno> kids are useless.

<StayC> Vyx...LOL...I know.....

<Tarotmama> HERE IS A TRUT FOLKS

<Tarotmama> TRUTH

<Tarotmama> REALLY THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANT TO CHANGE ARE WET BABIES

<Vyx> Anno, dang... you coulda called me, lol

<MonkeyMom> and hungry husbands

<Tarotmama> THE REST OF US RESIST IT

<Tarotmama> UNTIL WE DECIDE FOR OURSELVES

<Tarotmama> I THINK, IF YOU START HAVING FUN

<Tarotmama> YOU'LL FIND TIOME

<fab> Even some wet (and dirty) babies resist change.

<Tarotmama> AND IF YOU DON'T HVE ANY RESSURE TO PRODUCE

<Tarotmama> YOU MIGHT N\HAVE SOME FUN

<StayC> amen to that fab!....my oldest is 16 now...and I still remember how he resisted! LOL

<Tarotmama> OK THEN

<fab> One of my grandkids nearly had to be put in restraints to get changed.

<Tarotmama> TAKE A BREATH AND SEE IF YOU CAN FIND A SPACE IN YOU THAT'S 8 YR S OLD

<Tarotmama> AND WANTS TO PLAY WITH ALLL THAT STUFF YOU HAVE

<cak> thanks Tarotmama--great discussion (and great reminders)

<Tarotmama> WITHOUT ANY RESSURE

<fab> fI want to play with some watercolor crayons next

<Tarotmama> I HAE A SIGN OVER MY CRAFT TABLE THAT SAYS

<Tarotmama> 'PLAY LIKE THERE ARE NO CRITICS'

<anno> hehe..

<anno> play like they're someone else's toys might work better :)

<Vyx> some of us are always really more critical than other people would be, lol

<Tarotmama> :)

<cak> I always liked "What would you do if you knew you couldn't fail"

<Tarotmama> THANKS FOR COIMNG!

<Tarotmama> GO PLAY!

<fab> great idea

<MonkeyMom> I must do that tonight

<anno> we shoulda had this class in the afternoon.

<Tarotmama> NAW

<Regina> over all ready?

<anno> when there were some empty hours to play IN.

<fab> but we have to go to more convention stuff

<cak> lol--energizing, isn't it?

<anno> because now we got class!

<MonkeyMom> no, not close enough to Monkey bed time

<Tarotmama> IT WAS JUST AT THE RIGHT TIME

<Jambalaya> NEXT EVENT IS IN: #stubby

<anno> ok.. social!

<anno> still, we can't miss it!

<MonkeyMom> stubby is always a good time

<cak> she's a sweetie alright

<Judy> Thanks, Isis - this was interesting!

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