Intensity
<Janet> http://janet.margul.com/color/
<Janet> and i'm going to work mo better on the intensity graphic, that doesn't really show what I'm after.
Intensity
<Janet> mainly tonight we're gonna talk a bit about color theory, why we wanna learn it, and how we're gonna do it
<cak> these terms always confuse me (especially intensity and value)
<Janet> me too. intensity is mo' like contrast, sorta kinda
<fab> So tonight Janet wil unconfuse us all
<Janet> and mostly, as we work with our colors, it's the relative (whatever) between the colorsin our compositions that matter
<Janet> scoot over in that fantasy world, fab, i wanna be over there.
<cak> they do effect each other, don't they?
<cak> (lol)
<Janet> for sure they do!
* Jambalaya tosses the caps to Janet
* Janet TRIES TO DODGE THE CAPS
<Janet> BUT ALAS, JAM'S GOT TOO GOOD AN ARM
<fab> too late!
* Jambalaya Bops Janet
<cak> (don't dislodge those caps Jamba)
<Janet> LOL
<Jambalaya> was tightening them
<Janet> OKAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT THESE TERMS (AND A COUPLE OTHERS) AS INDIVIDUAL ELEMENTS...
<Janet> THE OTHER TWO WEEKS WE'LL CONCENTRATE ON THE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN COLORS, ALSO HOW TO DECIDE HOW TO PICK YOUR COLORS
<Janet> FIRST THING, THO...
<Janet> HOW MANY OF YOU BROUGHT YOUR COLOR WHEELS?
<cak> I can find mine right quick
<Janet> (THROW THOSE BACK IN THE DRAWER, WE AIN'T GONNA USE THOSE)
<fab> lol
<cak> LOL, now you tell me!
* Stampverb snickers and snorts
<Janet> NAW... I WAS JUST GONNA HAVE YOU GET IT TO TOSS IT BACK IN THE DRAWER.
<fab> I painted one in 6th grade
<Jambalaya> i don't own a physical color wheel, but i have one in my head
<cak> (keep your head on your neck Jamba)
<Janet> DON'T THROW IT AWAY, IT'S USEFUL. BUT THAT ALWAYS USED TO CONFUSE ME, SO THROW 'EM AWAY
<Janet> OOPS I MEAN KEEP THEM, BUT DON'T USE THEM IN THIS CLASS
<pmstamper> lol
<Janet> I'M GONNA TEACH Y
<Janet> OOPS
<Janet> LAPTOPPED TYPING AGAIN
<Janet> TEACH YOU HOW THIS MAKES SENSE TO ME
<Janet> FIRST OFF, WHY DO WE NEED TO EVEN THINK ABOUT COLOR THEORY?
<fab> cause we use it accidently all the time
<cak> because it keeps us from making garish mistakes
<Stampverb> so we can have a common vocabulary
<Jambalaya> not all of us
<Jambalaya> hiya isis
<Janet> YES! YES! YES!
<Janet> EVERYBODY IS RIGHT! AND SO IS ISIS
<fab> I think it even helps us see the world around us differently
<scout> you guys didn't put in the "start of class marks" for cat.
<Janet> FOR SHAME ON THEM
<Janet> SNORT
<cak> it allows us to pick out a proper color scheme for whatever work you're producing (emotionally)
<Jambalaya> cuz janet started talking before i realized it<g>
<cak> lol
<scout> whoos, cak
<cak> (the caps'll tell me)
<Janet> LOTS OF REASONS. LOL FOR ONCE I STARTED FASTER THAN YOU ANTICIPATED.
<scout> whoops again Whoopppppps
<Janet> I WILL TREASURE THIS IN MY HEART
<Janet> OH SOMEONE TELL ISIS THE PAGE? THE CAPS WILL MESS ME DOING IT UP
<Jambalaya> http://janet.margul.com/color/
<cak> http://janet.margul.com/color
<fab> cak will just have to hunt up the start point
<Tarotmama> ty
<cak> oops (use Jamba's)
<scout> poor cak.....
<Janet> ANYWAYS, LOTS OF REASONS TO THINK ABOUT COLOR THEORY. THAT COMMON VOCABULARY THANG IS AS IMPORTANT AS ANYTHING, TOO
<Janet> SO BEFORE WE GET TO THE MEAT OF THINGS, LET'S ESTABLISH SOME COMMON VOCABULARY
<Janet> SATURATION, SOMETIMES CALLED CHROMA... THIS IS HOW PURE OR HOW GRAY A COLOR IS
Saturation
<Janet> MY LIL DIAGRAM ON THIS ONE ISN'T BAD
<Janet> MOST OF THE TIME, AS WE AIM FOR REALISTIC, WE HEAD ON DOWN THE GRAY END OF THE SCALE, TOO
<cak> so just a matter of gray differences?
<Janet> PRETTY MUCH. IT'S HOW "OFF" A COLOR IS FROM ITS PURE INCANTATION
<Jambalaya> http://janet.margul.com/color/
<cherub78> hi all- sorry I'm late
<Stampverb> but colors can be "off" in various ways
<Janet> AS Y'ALL PLAY WITH YOUR GRAPHIC SOFTWARE PROGRAMS, YOU CAN FIND WHERE TO PLAY WITH YOUR SATURATION BY LOOKING FOR SATURATION OR SOMETIMES CHROMA
<Janet> FOR SURE, VERB.
<Janet> THIS "OFF" IS THE NOT-PURENESS OF THE COLOR
* Stampverb regrest not having graphics sw
<Janet> LIKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FIRE ENGINE RED AND BRICK AND CARNATION PINK
<Stampverb> regrets, even
<Janet> REGREST SOUNDS LIKE WHAT I'M GONNA BE DOING WITH THIS HIDEAWAY PIZZA I ATE TONIGHT AT THE ALL YOU CAN EAT BUFFET
<Stampverb> lol
<Janet> YUMMMM NOBODY THERE LIKED THE GARLIC, ARTICHOKE, FRESH TOMATO ONE WITH THE GARLIC SAUCE. SO I ATE IT ALL
<Janet> HEYA CINDY
<fab> Fire Engine would be the most saturated?
<Janet> I'LL BE SWEATING GARLIC TONIGHT
<Jambalaya> http://janet.margul.com/color/
<CindyC> hello
<cak> (mmmmmm artichokes)
<Janet> YEAH, FIRE ENGINE WOULD BE THE MOST SATURATED
<Janet> HIDEAWAY LIKE WE USED TO EAT IN STILLWATER. THEY GOT PLACES IN TULSA NOW, TOO
<Janet> LIKE PIZZA SAUCE RED
<Janet> COMPARED TO THE FRESH TOMATOES
<Janet> COMPARED TO THE CANADIAN BACON
<fab> But wouldn't carnation just be like red thinned with water?
<Janet> IT WOULD. OR RED THINNED? WITH WHITE
<Janet> DEPENDING ON WHAT MEDIA YOU'RE USING
<Jambalaya> uhhhh can't add water in graphics software
<fab> I was thinking water color
<Janet> WHICH LAPS OVER TO OUR NEXT TERM OF BRIGHTNESS/CONTRAST
<Janet> YEAH, I ALWAYS THINK IN TERMS OF WATERCOLOR
<fab> WC is the paint most likely to be used on cards
<Janet> OH, AND MOVING BACKWARDS JUST A HAIR... YOUR SATURATION CAN ALSO BE LIKE IF YOU ADDED OTHER COLORS TO YOUR RED
<Janet> THE CLOSER THE OTHER COLORS ARE TO GREEN, THE CLOSER TO GRAY LIKE YOU GET
<Janet> JAMS IS RIGHT, TOO. IT'S GENERALLY A BAD IDEA TO ADD WATER TO YOUR GRAPHICS SOFTWARE
<Janet> DON'T ASK ME HOW I KNOW THAT.
<fab> sad experience?
<Janet> WELL, NOT COMPLETELY SAD, I DISHWASHERED THE KEYBOARD AND THEN IT WAS OKAY, BUT FOR A WEEK OR SO I HAD TO USE A BUM KEYBOARD UNTIL MY FAVE DRIED OUT
<Janet> HEYA LYNN
<Jambalaya> http://janet.margul.com/color/
<Lynn> hi all
<Janet> SO WE'RE ALL PRETTY SOLID ON SATURATION?
<Jambalaya> welllll
<Julie> you kinda lost me on the green part...
<Janet> LOL OKAY...
<Jambalaya> i'm fine with it in real life, but are we talking about paint, or puters??
<Janet> AS YOU MIX OTHER COLORS INTO YOUR ORIGINAL PURE ONE (EITHER/AND/OR VICKI, SAME THEORY FOR ALL)
<Janet> WELL, PICTURE HOW THE SATURATION WOULD BE AFFECTED IF YOU MIXED A PURE YELLOW INTO YOUR PURE RED...
<Janet> IN THEORY AT LEAST YOU'D GET A PURE ORANGE, AND THE SAME SATURATION
<Janet> AS IN COMPLETELY SATURATED
<fab> =pure orange
<CindyC> but that would depend on the amount mixed right?
<Janet> BUT IF YOU MIX SOME BROWN INTO YOUR PURE RED...
<fab> brick
<Janet> EXACTLY, CINDY. THE SATURATION WOULDN'T CHANGE, BUT YOUR VALUE OR HUE WOULD
<cak> but if you add it's complement it desaturates it?
<Janet> YEAH, FAB... AND BRICK IS ON DOWN THE WAY FROM PURE RED
<CindyC> right
<Janet> YES CAK!!!
<Janet> SO ADDING GRAY OR ADDING GREEN... WE MOVE OFF THE PURE RED INTO A MORE GRAY LIKE RED
<Janet> A LESS SATURATED ONE
<Janet> SORTA LIKE DRINKING TOM COLLINS OR DRINKING SHOTS O TEQUILA
<cak> I presume faster than adding something like brown?
<fab> I know the opposite is supposed to make it greyer but I usually end up with a brown
<Julie> ok, just never heard of adding green
<Janet> THAT'S BECAUSE OUR PAINTS AREN'T USUALLY PURE SATURATED
<Julie> I love the food/drink analogy--I understand that :)
<cak> ooooo, I like the drink analogy too! Makes a lot more sense to me
<Janet> JULIE, TUCK THIS INTO YOUR HEAD, TO MAKE STUFF LOOK FARTHER AWAY, YOU MAKE IT MORE GRAYISH. AND YOU CAN ALWAYS PUT A LITTLE COMPLEMENTARY COLOR IN FOR THAT
<Janet> OKAY
<Janet> THEN VALUE IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DRINKING ONE SHOT AND DRINKING FIVE
Value
<cak> but it has to be just a little bit?
<cak> (adding of complement?)
<Janet> OH YEAH, JUST A LITTLE BIT, OR ADDING JUST A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME UNTIL YOU GET TO THE GRAYNESS YOU WANT
<Janet> THE SHOTS, NO. THOSE YOU SLAM 'EM BACK.<G>
<Julie> got it--lol!
<cak> lol
<Janet> YUM YUM
* CindyC thinks to many shots leads to impurity.......... 8~}
<fab> and maybe other things
<Janet> INDEED. WE'RE TALKING, UH SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A HIGHER SATURATION OF ALCOHOL TO BRAIN
<Janet> SOMEONE EXPERIMENT AND LET US KNOW NEXT WEEK<G>
<Jambalaya> http://janet.margul.com/color/
<fab> after 5 of those, colors may appear different
<CindyC> would they remember?
<Janet> LOL
<Janet> DEPENDS ON IF THEY'RE DOING SHOTS OF TEQUILA OR APPLE JUICE
<Janet> UHHH LET'S GO BACK TO OUR TERMS BEFORE I GET TIPSY JUST THINKING ABOUT IT
<Janet> OR ACTUALLY LET'S TALK ABOUT OUR HOMEWORK
<Janet> YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE GRAPHIC SOFTWARE, VERB (AND ANYONE ELSE WHO DOESN'T HAVE SOME)
<Janet> YOU CAN PAINT PURE AND THEN DO WASHES OF BLACK OR GRAY OR ANOTHER COLOR OR SEVERAL OTHER COLORS TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS
<fab> Mine is still in a box. I have to load it still on the puter
<Janet> AND, TO GET A JUMP START ON NEXT WEEK...
<Janet> AFTER YOU FIND THE PLACES TO JACK WITH YOUR LUMINOSITY OR VALUE OR SATURATION...
<Janet> THEN MAKE A BASE PICTURE OF LIKE RANDOM SQUARES OF COLOR.
<Janet> NOT NECESSARILY PURE 100 SATURATION COLORS EITHER
<Janet> JUST DO A RANDOM LOTS OF COLORS IN LOTS OF SQUARES THING
<Janet> OOPS
<Janet> I HAD TYPED OUT A WHOLE INSTRUCTION AND THE LAPTOP ATE IT <BURP>
<fab> lol
<cak> (just so much garlic and artichokes to it)
<Janet> THEN AFTER YOU HAVE YOUR BASE OF LOTS OF COLORS OF LOTS OF SQUARES (SAVE IT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO KEEP MAKING IT AGAIN)
<Janet> LOL!
<Janet> THEN MAKE A BIG SQUARE AND FILL IT WITH SAY 40 PERCENT TRANSPARENT GRAY
<Janet> THEN INSTEAD OF PUTTING THAT SQUARE DOWN, MOVE IT AROUND AND SEE HOW YOUR OTHER SQUARES LOOK UNDER IT
<Janet> IF YOUR SOFTWARE DOES LAYERS, PUT THE HALF TRANSPARENT GRAY SQUARE ON A NEW LAYER SO YOU CAN KEEP MOVING IT AROUND
<cherub78> sorry- I have to go- family situation-long story-so sorry Janet!
<Janet> THIS IS ALSO A COOL TRICK TO PICK OUT "MATCHING" COLORS FOR A PROJECT
<Janet> HOPE THINGS ARE OKAY, CHERUB
<Janet> YOU CAN ALSO FILL IT WITH A 40 PERCENT TRANSPARENT ANY OTHER COLOR
<fab> nite cherub
<cherub78> its ok- will explain another time- nite
<Janet> THEN AS YOU MOVE IT OVER THE TOP OF THE OTHER COLORS, THEY TURN INTO PERFECTLY MATCHING COLORS
<Janet> IT'S SORT OF A MAGIC COLOR MATCHING TOOL
<CindyC> i did that recently
<CindyC> fell in love
<Janet> ISN'T THAT COOL? IT'S LIKE MAGIC
<CindyC> it is
<fab> What do you mean "matching"
<Janet> BECAUSE YOUR ORIGINAL SQUARES ARE JUST RANDOM AND DEFINITELY NOT MATCHING
<CindyC> was told that I have a very good grasp of coordinating colors... sure i do.. uh huh.... lol
<Janet> THE COLORS UNDER THE TRANSPARENT SQUARE NOW MATCH OR COORDINATE
<Janet> YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO DO IT AND SEE
<fab> Ah, so they are good together
<Janet> AND I'LL DO IT FOR NEXT WEEK AND TAKE SCREEN CAPTURES OF IT IN PROGRESS
<Janet> YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR SQURE FROM 40 TO 10 PERCENT TRANSPARENT, THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE TOO
<Janet> JUST PLAY AROUND WITH ADJUSTING ALL YOUR COLORS AND PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE AS YOU ADJUST THE SATURATION OR THE LUMINANCE
<fab> By matching do you mean that they go together well?
<CindyC> face it, janet, playing with just these three "tools" is addictive!
<Janet> OR THE OTHER TERMS YOU'RE FUZZY ON PRECISELY WHAT THEY MEAN. SEEING IT IS A LOT EASIER TO GRASP THAN ME TELLING IT
<Janet> YES, FAB AND FOR SURE, CINDY
<Janet> AND WHAT I'VE FOUND, DEPENDING ON WHO WAS WRITING ON COLOR THEORY, SOMETIMES YOU'VE GOT A TERM FOR ADDING MORE WHITE, OR ADDING MORE BLACK, OR ADDING MORE GRAYNESS
<CindyC> it is a handy thing to know when you have a group picture where the colors everyone is wearing don't mesh right too i bet
<Janet> DIFFERENT TERMS, BUT THEY DESCRIBE THE SAME THING, JUST THE DIFFERENT ENDS OF THE CONTUNDRUM
<Janet> IT IS!
<fab> It does seem to me that this is true in choosing colors for my yarn projects too
<Janet> SO FAR AM I MAKING SENSE?
<Julie> yep
<cak> yep
<Janet> WHERE I SEE ME NOT MAKING AS MUCH SENSE IS WHEN I TRY TO ADD IN SOME PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS. THOSE SORT OF LOSE ME IN THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO THE THEORY PART
<fab> Also, in fashion, when they describe the color palette for the next season
<Janet> GOOD
<Janet> YES~ FAB! THAT IS IT EXACTLY
<Janet> THE DIFFERENT PALETTES
* CindyC is old enough to choose her own palette
<Janet> AND SOME SPRINGS IT'S ALL PASTELS, OR ALL BRIGHT PURE SATURATED COLORS
<Janet> AND SOME SEASONS THEY'RE ALL MODIFIED, BUT IN THE SAME DIRECTION
<fab> and in autumn it is often earth tones
<Janet> LIKE A PLUM, RUST, DUSTY TEAL SEASON
<Janet> YEAH
<fab> got it
<Janet> BRICK, TERRA COTTA, OLIVE
<fab> so we should think in seasons maybe for our art work
<Janet> WHEN YOU PLAY WITH THE FLOATING HALF TRANSPARENT SQUARE, YOU'LL SEE THIS
<Janet> PERHAPS. THINKING WARM OR COOL OR THINKING HOWEVER THE TERMS WORK BEST FOR YOU.
<fab> Well thanks Janet. You have motivated me to load that graphics software
<Janet> IT'S JUST GOOD TO KNOW THE THEORY BEHIND, FOR THOSE TIMES THAT "THEY JUST LOOK GOOD TOGETHER" FAILS YOU
<cak> lol
<Janet> DO IT, FAB~
<Janet> MOST OF US HAVE AN INNATE FEEL FOR WHAT LOOKS GOOD OR WHAT GOES TOGETHER.
<fab> I just bought Photoshop Elements for the new puter
<Janet> BUT SOMETIMES IT JUST FAILS US
<CindyC> i must admit that I will never understand theory, i am just too much of an "eyeballit" type....
<cak> but with the theory we at least have a chance of seeing why
<Janet> OH YOU'LL LIKE THAT. PUT YOUR TRANSPARENT SQUARE ON A NEW LAYER IN THAT. THEN CHANGE IT AS TO ITS TRANSPARENCY OR COLOR
<Julie> just ask my 9 yo--she tells me :)
<Janet> CINDY, I THINK MOSTLY WE'RE LIKE THAT. BUT IT'S COOL TO ME, FASCINATING, TO SEE THE THEORY AND HOW IT WORKS
<fab> love those kids
<Janet> NEXT WEEK THE PAGE WILL HAVE A LOT MORE TO IT AS WE EXPLORE DIFFERENCES IN THE VALUE/SATURATION/CONTRAST RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN OUR COLORS
<CindyC> it is good to know, but the rebel in me will always have to buck the system... lol
<Janet> AND HOW A CHANGE IN SHADES CAN CHANGE OUR "RULES"
<fab> What rules?
<Janet> LIKE SOMETIMES IT'S THE MOST SATURATED COLOR IN THE PIECE THAT IS THE FOCAL
<CindyC> if i don't know i am going WITH the standard then i am ignorantly in a state of bliss! heh
<cak> rules?? there are rules???
<fab> I'm too old for rules
<fab> Just want to have fun with great results
<Janet> BUT YOU CAN'T DEPEND ON THAT, IF YOU HAVE A PIECE WITH ALMOST EVERYTHING FULLY SATURATED, THEN ONE ELEMENT THAT IS SAY A DUSTY ROSE... THAT ONE ELEMENT WILL BECOME THE MOST DOMINANT
<Janet> WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M USING TOO MANY WORDS TO SAY. CAN'T DEPEND ON THE "RULES' SO THROW 'EM OUT
<CindyC> (the rebel) heh
<Janet> UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPTS AND YOU CAN ADAPT THOSE "RULES" TO FIT ANYTHING
<Janet> WE DON'T NEED NO STEEENKIN RULEZ
<Lynn> yeah
<Janet> AND AS WE REBEL WE CAN SEE OURSELVES LIKE THE IMPRESSIONISTS... WHO THREW OUT THE TRADITIONAL COLORING SCHEMES AND USED A LOT OF PURELY SATURATED COLORS
<CindyC> surely when one knows the expected perameters, one can more easily extend beyond those to a great horizon without fear of falling off the edge.
<Janet> WHO GLORIFIED IN COLOR FOR COLOR'S SAKE
<fab> Thanks Janet for geting us started on thinking how we use color
<Janet> WE ARE ZE CUTTING EDGE
<Janet> BE HERE NEXT WEEK. AND DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!
<Janet> EXACTLY, CINDY
<Janet> THAT UNDERSTANDING GIVES US CONFIDENCE TO PUSH OUT OUR BOUNDARIES
<Janet> AND MAYBE MIX ORANGE AND RED TOGETHER
<fab> and use more color
<Janet> OR BLUE AND PUCE
<Janet> YAY~ LET
<CindyC> and learn to love chartreuse!
<fab> but what is puce?
<Janet> OOPS. LAPTOPPED AGAIN
<Janet> LOL. LOOK IT UP.<G>
<Janet> CHARTREUSE RULEZ
<fab> I'll google it
<CindyC> the blue and the puce
<Lynn> fearless use of color - that's what I'm aiming for
<Janet> PUCE IS A PURPLEISH MAUVE TOO MUCH FRUIT UPCHUCK SORTA COLOR
<fab> wow
<Lynn> nice description
<Janet> LOL
<Stampverb> like a cherry smoothie
<Julie> lovely
<fab> that will do for now
<Janet> AND CHARTREUSE IS BABY PUKE GREEN
<fab> that one I know
<Janet> LOL
<CindyC> oh i think it is more of an exorcist green
<Janet> GO PLAY
<scout> Gee, glad I'm thru with dinner
<Janet> LOL!!!
<Janet> SEE YOU ALL NEXT WEEK!
<Janet> I HAD A TON OF FUN SO FAR. :_
<Julie> thanks Janet!
<scout> nite, all
<fab> I want to go check out the mystry thing this month
<Wanda> thanks, Janet
<CindyC> thanks for the laughs and for making me feel smart for a change <w>
<Janet> OOPS. THIS LAPTOP KEYBOARD HAS GOTTA BEHAVE BETTER
<cak> thanks Janet!
<Wanda> nite, all
<Lynn> thanks Janet
<Lynn> night all
<cak> (bad keyboard! bad!)
<fab> Who is the mystery?
<Julie> night all
<pmstamper> thanks janet. Nite y'all, got to go.
<fab> I forgot
<Janet> LOL
<Janet> UHHH I KNEW WHO MYSTERY STAMP WAS
<cak> is it jhone??
<Jambalaya> jhone
<fab> OK, ty
<fab> night all
<Janet> COOL
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